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  •  why won't Crist commit to caucusing with the dems (1+ / 0-)
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    OHdog

    that says it all..if elected he would move to the right where he has always been.  If he wants to win he will have to commit to caucusing with the dems otherwise he's not trusted..if he ever was.

    •  if dems retain cntrl he will (1+ / 0-)
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      lordcopper

      crist as always has his finger in the wind and if dems retain control of congress then bet 100% that crist will caucus with dems

      if dems f up and loose control to repubs then crist will caucus with repubs

      DUH!  so dems vote crist in FL and nationaly make sure we retain control of the senate and crist will vote with us on many issues and expand our majority

    •  Not defending Crist, but he is in uncharted (3+ / 0-)
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      territory by running as an Independent. He is being a consumate politician. He is playing the game as best he can (and unfortunately, the rules of the game are pretty dirty these days.) He is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth and not completely commit to which side he will land until he absolutely has to. Sure, we'd like our politicians to stand up for exactly what they believe in, but the system is rigged to NOT reward those that do.

      Crist is not exactly trustworthy, but at least his record as Governor of the state speaks for itself that he didn't do to us the kinds of things that a teabagger like Rubio would do. So for me, it comes down to a "lesser of two evils" situation (as politics often does, unfortunately) and I'll probably (as things stand right now) be filling-in the little circle on my ballot for Crist, despite calling myself a liberal/progressive Democrat.

      Furthermore, he HAS sort-of painted himself into a corner on a few positions just within the last couple of days, coming-out (no pun intended) on-record with some very progressive positions on LGBT issues that would be pretty hard to run away from once elected. A position paper he's published has him in favor of almost every current LGBT issue in the news except for outright marriage equality.

      Did he completely flip-flop on his positions from when he was leaning pretty hard-right when he thought he might be picked as potential V.P. by McCain? Heck, yes. Has he had some kind of Grinch-like change of heart and is now trying to do the right thing? I sincerely doubt it. But the results in the end appear that we'd have a potintially left-of-moderate (maybe) Senator if Crist is elected, vs. a teabagging hard-right Senator representing us if Rubio gets in. The third option (Meek) simply doesn't look viable.

      As much as I'd rather have the true Dem get the job (even as tarnished as Meek appears to be) I am pragmatic enough to agree that he probably doesn't have a ghost of a chance, therefore, each vote for Meek is about equal to a vote for Rubio.

      Never has so much been taken from so many by so few for so long...

      by JWSwift on Thu Sep 16, 2010 at 02:45:14 PM PDT

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      •  Crist didn't do ANYTHING as governor (0+ / 0-)

        that's why he's bailing and running for Senator!

        •  Actually, you're about right. He didn't do much. (1+ / 0-)
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          And between what he'd likely do as a Senator based upon that and his current position papers, vs. what we KNOW that Rubio would do to the state, a do-nothing person would be a better choice than a really, really BAD person.

          Never has so much been taken from so many by so few for so long...

          by JWSwift on Thu Sep 16, 2010 at 03:03:08 PM PDT

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          •  I guess a realistic way to look at it is that (1+ / 0-)
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            if Crist should be elected and then his now hidden ethical issues become apparent than at least we would have a dem gov. (sink) who could appoint a dem senator.   (snark)

            •  Unfortunately, they ALL have "ethical issues". (0+ / 0-)

              If there was a candidate who didn't or was more trustworthy than any of the three, I'd vote for them, but we're stuck with the three we've got.

              Since those "ethical issues" are more or less equally bad between the three, then the difference between them really comes down to just how good or bad they're likely to vote on policy issues.

              If we get close to November and find that Meek still has no real chance in the race, then between a very, very BAD candidate (Rubio) and one that at least SAYS they're likely to be at least a little bit progressive (and at least has a history of NOT being "teaparty-ish" regressive while in office) then the choice for me is pretty clear.

              If Meek somehow makes a better run at it than everyone seems to expect him to, then I'll certainly be open to changing my mind. But otherwise, I'm still going to say that a vote for Meek is like a vote for Rubio. And that's actually not easy for me to say, because at heart, I'm quite the idealist, and I'd actually RATHER vote for the one with a "D" next to his name, just on principle. Unfortunately, this is one instance where standing on principle is likely to have us standing under a teabagger, and I for one have had enough of those regressive policies ruining my state and my life! And if it means I need to hold my nose and vote for someone I don't really like to keep someone I really, REALLY don't like out of office, you bet I'll be walking into that polling place holding my nose.

              Never has so much been taken from so many by so few for so long...

              by JWSwift on Thu Sep 16, 2010 at 09:48:28 PM PDT

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    •  Let's game this out. (0+ / 0-)

      C. Crist gets elected mostly by Democrats and people who want him to caucus with Democrats. Instead of doing what his supporters want, he goes to the Republicans (who would be in the minority, f.y.i.) Additionally, Mitch McConnell has to then embrace him while simultaneously trying to avoid the knife Jim Demint is trying to stick into his back.

      How does that scenario make sense reasonably?

      In a Democracy, everything is politics.

      by Nightshade Q on Thu Sep 16, 2010 at 05:42:28 PM PDT

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