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• ##### Manipulatives to help kids understand(12+ / 0-)

note value denominations. I had a sign company make magnetic signs in different colors (the kind people put on the side of their car for advertising). I'm going to cut them with an X-Acto knife into different sizes. These will be an intermediate step toward getting to standard notation. They'll stick them on the white board, first to show rhythms, then they can move them up and down to show pitch direction.

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• ##### Sounds like a great learning tool. (11+ / 0-)

Smart thinking!  Hope the sign company gave you a good deal.  :)

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• ##### We're in a new paradigm in which(12+ / 0-)

analytical skills are taught in every subject.

I learned note values by osmosis. My mom taught me where middle "C" was on the piano and how to track the musical alphabet from there. I spent hours counting lines and spaces to figure out how to play the piano. I just intuited durations by ear.

Now, which is a good thing, we're not teaching by rote -- we're helping kids make connections to foster deeper understanding. The challenge is to find time to make music in the process.

The sign company was sympathetic, but it still cost close to \$70 for an array of colors which, in conjunction with their size, represent different note values.

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• ##### Not a "new' paradigm, but a redefined one.(12+ / 0-)

I always pose higher order questions, but now students are collecting data on music and recording it in graphic organizers (tables, Venn diagrams) and making comparisons. They have to demonstrate what they know on paper or through other measurable means.

Elementary aged children are largely in what's coined the concrete operational stage of development. Analysis is not something that comes easily. I'm trying to find ways to ease them into it.

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fractions?

• ##### Music. n/t(12+ / 0-)

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• ##### I'm partial to note spelling!(12+ / 0-)

But that doesn't help with time signatures.

And I'm a horrible sight reader anyway.  I taught myself verbally -- so I have to run through the alphabet and translate....  I'm getting better at reading the spaces between notes, but my daughter still had to chide me with, "Mom, that's an octave!  And your tempo sucks!"....

Maybe I should try cutting up magnets!

• ##### The Bastien books, which my kids used,(11+ / 0-)

are really good with the clapping and singing of rhythms, amazing with transposing skills, and ok with vaguely interesting early songs.  But it's definitely less analytic and more pick-it-up along the way and make it concrete later on -- the way we learn to speak early and get the grammar rules later.

Good luck with magnets!

• ##### Do you like Sacred Harp, or Shape Note(8+ / 0-)

singing? I'm am absolutely crazy for it. There was a great diary here on Kos about it a few weeks back. I'll see if I can find it. Here's part of a documentary on it.

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• ##### FWIW(7+ / 0-)

The diary on Sacred Harp:
http://www.dailykos.com/...

War does not determine who is right--only who is left. Bertrand Russell

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• ##### Sacred Harp is wonderful.(7+ / 0-)

And the only thing about the deep-dipped, foot-washing, primitive church I grew up in that I remember with joy. The sound will send chills up your spine... :)

(-7.62/-7.90) .....It was their destruction. They delved too greedily and too deep... Gimli in Moria, JRR Tolkien

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• ##### Wow, again!(4+ / 0-)
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I would love to participate in something like this though it would be with great trepidation given my political and non-religious views. Thank you so much for this enlightening information, ursoklevar. These are things I can use!

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• ##### Here's a barn-burner!(5+ / 0-)
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It's really the only kind of music I want to turn up so loud it hurts my ears and gives me a headache. I think it's sometimes called hollow square singing because people sit on 4 sides and bellow at each other. I've been to smaller groups where they don't do that, and you just don't get the same wall of sound as with a big bunch.

Trepidation is right. I wanted to visit a sing recently, but it was in a Primitive Baptist Church in Colorado springs. I'll hold out for one in The People's Republic of Boulder.

Ooooo, I am so OT I'm afraid if getting my typing fingers rapped, but fuck it. Here goes: I'm Going Home.

War does not determine who is right--only who is left. Bertrand Russell

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• ##### That looks like soooo much fun! Thanks, ur! nt(2+ / 0-)
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• ##### wow! thanks! eom(2+ / 0-)
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• ##### Ok, amazing!(2+ / 0-)
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We should just all sit around and sing our souls out day and night, night and day (Cole Porter is fun, too, but isn't so bellow-y).

Which reminds me, had Beausoleil on in the car earlier -- Cajunization Blues and L'Amour Poisonne are great songs!  No youtube links, though.  Someone should upload!

• ##### No time right now to check this.....(4+ / 0-)
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Will come back later and see what it all is!

• ##### Wow! So glad you commented ur. n/t(3+ / 0-)
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• ##### Shape Note singers are around(4+ / 0-)
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search them out online. there are groups that have weekend sings on the west coast, but then, you may not live here :>

And they sing loud! I've done it a few times, pretty cool indeed.

Does this rec make my head look fat?

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• ##### Notation is irrelevant because it's arbitrary.(9+ / 0-)

The concepts are closely related.

I'm tone deaf.   I swear, that has something to do with why I higher mathematics never came naturally to me.  I knew some genuine math prodigies in college.  I, however, always had to work at it.

Never meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer.--Bruce Graham

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• ##### Read somewhere at some point that "tone deaf" is(5+ / 0-)
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not really a thing -- there's "tune deaf" which seems to mean something like you can hear Santa Claus Is Coming To Town and be equally certain it's Yellow Submarine....

And you can have a hard time controlling your singing voice, so then you do voice lessons.

Not sure how accurate this is, but since I have a whole thing about how the PRODUCTION of music has been taken from us and turned into the consumption of music, I think we should all sing out loud, off key, flat when the music indicates a sharp, and vice versa as needed!

Sing, O Muse!

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