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  •  No the real question is, "Is the percentage of (1+ / 0-)
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    religious right members in the US willing to kill the same or greater than the percentage of Taliban members willing to perform an equivalent killing?" And considering the Taliban is a subsection of Islam, I could probably shrink the American grouping a bit to be fairer.

    The major difference that you push aside too easily is that in Afghanistan, the Taliban had/have a society and laws/lawlessness that allow overt practice of their prejudices. Here in the US, those in favor of Taliban equivalent hatreds do not have the ability to practice out in the open - yet - that is what they are trying to achieve. So we have the occasional murder, more beatings, and as much media shoving as is politically feasible as they continue to try to move discussion and to move reality rightward. They don't call for Biblical punishments yet, because they lack the political access and clout to succeed. But I am not sure I agree with you that it wouldn't happen if they did. I think that is where they are going. Look at the Montana GOP's recent platform for the most recent example. You don't think that will get "stronger" should politics in this country swing more to the right? I recognize your significant work in this field (and if I don't, your bulldog Frederick Clarkson will surely remind me), but if anyone should be aware of the trending it should be you.

    30 years ago, nobody in this country would have remotely believed that the US would submit to using torture - not on the right or the left - not Republican or Democrat, not my conservative family members or my liberal family members. Look how far we've regressed now.

    "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"

    by Uwaine on Sun Sep 19, 2010 at 06:07:23 PM PDT

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    •  30 years ago (1+ / 0-)
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      there was no Taliban. And there is no Taliban equivalent in the United States.  There is plenty of bad stuff to talk about and plenty of clear-eyed and forceful ways of talking about it in order to take it seriously.  

      Thirty years ago, no one believed that the American Religious Right would become as strong as it has. Ditto for twenty. Ditto for ten. But here we are, being lectured by the nouveau about the Montana GOP platform. Some of us have spent years lot of time seeking to understand these things, as well as writing and speaking about it, and are unsurprised.

      •  There was the Ku Klux Klan. They aren't (0+ / 0-)

        "nouveau". They had a nice long run. Still at it as the Council for Conservative Citizens IIRC. How many lynchings, beatings and intimidation ploys were they able to pull off for years even though they were still covert, regarding the laws on the books?

        I just don't think the American Religious Right is that "new" even if it has morphed into something with a better hidden face and more members who wouldn't be Klansmen. The ugly violent undercurrent of that movement is still there, and has always been there - however detailed a metaphor or hyperbolic a metaphor one chooses.

        At any rate, I bow to your superior knowledge to which you have referred repeatedly. You & Mr. Cocozzelli clearly are much more astute than all of us here. I'm sorry we wasted your time with our replies.

        "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"

        by Uwaine on Mon Sep 20, 2010 at 11:02:54 AM PDT

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