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  •  No, I have had no difficulty following this (2+ / 0-)
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    thread. The initial point was that actually following through with campaign promises would have helped Democrats in a mid-terms that looks bad because everything promised has been compromised into an alternate reality.

    Claiming that something that no one voted on "is a start" does not change the good sense of that initial point.

    "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." Oscar Wilde

    by nippersdad on Mon Sep 20, 2010 at 01:24:49 PM PDT

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    •  claiming the loss of the PO (0+ / 0-)

      as to the cause of future losses is simply not demonstrable at this time.

      for one, the election has happened yet.

      duh.  you really can't follow a thread.

      •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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        He did not claim that it was the sole reason for such predicted losses, he said that the inclusion of a PO would be something that the Democratic Party could point to when detractors call them corporate sell outs; something that they could run on having surmounted the odds and actually achieved.

        That it is an ingredient in the larger picture of bad salesmanship is indisputable. Creation of an oligopolistic insurance monopoly and calling it health care reform is positively Orwellian in its' breathtaking stupidity.

        "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." Oscar Wilde

        by nippersdad on Mon Sep 20, 2010 at 01:44:10 PM PDT

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        •  yes he did (0+ / 0-)

          in the comment i was responding to.

          which is why i was wondering if you're following the thread.

          •  Go back to his initial premise: (1+ / 0-)
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            The public option would have been pragmatic Because it would have helped get out the dem base during this election. As it stands there are precious few successes that dems can point to when GOTV.

            I have been following along just fine. In the comment you were responding to he does not change course from the initial premise, I think you were trying to change the subject to one that was never intended. Perhaps it is not I that is having comprehension difficulties?

            "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." Oscar Wilde

            by nippersdad on Mon Sep 20, 2010 at 02:01:33 PM PDT

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            •  if you followed the thread (0+ / 0-)

              I just think it would have been pragmatic, because now dems are going to lose the house and that is tragic.

              •  Yes? (0+ / 0-)

                Implicit in this given his initial premise should have been:

                I just think it would have been pragmatic, because now dems are going to lose the house as a result of having little to point to and that is tragic.

                That was his whole bloody point. In a season with little to point to something like the PO would have proven invaluable for getting out the vote. Red meat for the partisans is where it is at during mid-terms. Telling people that a corporate written and implemented oligarchy of insurance monopolists are now in charge of their health care with a government mandate backing them up really is not the same thing.

                "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." Oscar Wilde

                by nippersdad on Mon Sep 20, 2010 at 02:39:36 PM PDT

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