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  •  Exactly the opposite (22+ / 0-)

    Feingold has voted against the Democratic leadership trying to make things more progressive, and now he is paying the price.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:00:55 AM PDT

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    •  ROTFL (1+ / 0-)
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      "I've never believed that government's role is to create jobs . . . So this week, I've proposed a six year infrastructure plan."

      by Paleo on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:08:21 AM PDT

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      •  He's now rated the 55th most (10+ / 0-)

        progressive Dem by Progressive Punch. In between Lincoln and McCaskill. That's how often he has voted against bills trying to make them better.

        Since the voters can't possibly be turning against him because he's not liberal enough, it stands to reason they are turning against him because he's too liberal.

        He's lost some Democrats who like Obama - they exist in every state. No Republican is going to support him for moving left.

        Lose some Democrats, gain no Republicans, lose next election. You can do it by being too liberal as readily as by being too moderate.

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:12:11 AM PDT

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        •  Feingold's the same as he always was (1+ / 0-)
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          He gave Clinton agita at times also.  If he's losing, it's not because he defied Obama.  In fact, as I said, had he voted against the Baucus bill, he would be in a lot better shape.

          "I've never believed that government's role is to create jobs . . . So this week, I've proposed a six year infrastructure plan."

          by Paleo on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:16:04 AM PDT

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          •  Based on what? (3+ / 0-)
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            Had he voted against the Baucus bill?

            He's losing. He's won in the past. His positive / negative numbers suck.

            Do you really believe that he's lost the liberals because he voted for the Baucus bill - that they are now voting for Johnson? Don't be silly.

            He's lost the middle, and he's lost it because he's perceived as too liberal.

            In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

            by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:20:05 AM PDT

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            •  Too liberal? (0+ / 0-)

              He's always been perceived that way.  Hasn't stopped him from winning before.

              "I've never believed that government's role is to create jobs . . . So this week, I've proposed a six year infrastructure plan."

              by Paleo on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 10:13:42 AM PDT

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              •  So what's changed? (0+ / 0-)

                He's lost Obama Democrats. He hasn't lost the left.

                By not voting with Obama, he has pissed off some Democrats, and won no Republicans.

                In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 10:18:00 AM PDT

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                •  No (1+ / 0-)
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                  First of all, he's voted with Obama 99% of the time.  Even for his corporate-friendly health insurance bill.  What's changed, at least according to this poll, is that he's attracting fewer independents than previously.

                  "I've never believed that government's role is to create jobs . . . So this week, I've proposed a six year infrastructure plan."

                  by Paleo on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 10:24:27 AM PDT

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                  •  Not at all (1+ / 0-)
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                    He has voted with Obama about as often as McCaskill and Lincoln.

                    That is the one single fact that you are studiously avoiding. He's voted against bills because they were insufficiently liberal, and people on the ground in Wisconsin have commented herein that he is perceived as a prima donna as a result.

                    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                    by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 10:28:48 AM PDT

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                    •  He's always done that (0+ / 0-)

                      And he often voted for Bush cabinet appointments because he believes presidents should have the right to appoint whom they want.

                      Where is the evidence that he has voted with Obama as often as Lincoln?  And where is the evidence that Democrats are not supporting him because he has been insufficient supportive of Obama?

                      "I've never believed that government's role is to create jobs . . . So this week, I've proposed a six year infrastructure plan."

                      by Paleo on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 10:37:29 AM PDT

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                    •  Herein means WI or herein means DKos? nt (0+ / 0-)

                      Feingold did not vote for Alito.

                      by zett on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 04:29:02 PM PDT

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                    •  Voting for Afghanistan butchery's "Progressive?" (0+ / 0-)

                      Agricultural hemp is "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs."

                      by ben masel on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 06:51:29 PM PDT

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                  •  85% of the time, not 99%, actually (3+ / 0-)
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                    as a bit of research would show, since this was examined in depth and in detail in the major newspaper in Wisconsin just this week.

                    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

                    by Cream City on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 11:00:07 AM PDT

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        •  Progressive punch is a bunch of crap (0+ / 0-)

          their methodology sucks.

          Feingold did not vote for Alito.

          by zett on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 04:27:58 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly (9+ / 0-)

      his perceived "self-righteousness" and "priggishness" (terms I've heard frequently) have become problematic.

      "Statistics are people with the tears washed away." Sociologist Ruth Sidel

      by Vicky on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:12:11 AM PDT

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    •  doubt it (3+ / 0-)
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      Most voters don't follow things too carefully--Feingold is perceived as a liberal who follows the president's lead.  The president is seen as a weak politician who can't convince Republicans of anything.  If the voter was educated, there would be no Republican Party.

      Apres Bush, le deluge.

      by melvynny on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:15:42 AM PDT

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      •  I think you need to provide numerous (1+ / 0-)
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        links to support these assertations:

        1. Feingold is perceived as following Obama's lead
        1. Obama is seen as weak (which contradicts #1 - he's weak, but followed slavishly)

        As to point (3), that's been true for a decade at a minimum. So why is Feingold losing, with terrible positive / negative perceptions?

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:22:11 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not sure myself on this one (3+ / 0-)
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        There was a semi-big deal made about him not meeting with Obama when he was in Milwaukee on Labor Day while Feingold himself was here in town as well. Feingold was asked about it, and was frankly a bit wishy-washy in his answer--essentially saying "I support the president on blah blah blah" without mentioning certain high profile issues. But I suppose the uninformed may view him as Obama's tool.

        This whole thing is so WTF...Feingold has faced some real morons in the past, but Johnson has got to be the absolute worst.

    •  It really is the economy, stupid, but... (2+ / 0-)
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      Wisconsin has a substantially better employment picture than many states, like Illinois, where I live.

      Curious.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:16:38 AM PDT

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    •  "It's the Hippies!" "It's the Obamabots!" (2+ / 0-)
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      Can we please put this idiocy aside at least until the election is over.

      I mean really.

      I think Feingold is someone we can all agree would be a horrible loss if went down to defeat (even I, cynical progressive Independent that I am, feel this way), so let's just can the finger pointing for the moment and grab some mops.

      Seriously!

      "I trust that you will continue to let me and other Democrats know when you believe we are screwing up." - Barack Obama

      by GreenSooner on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 09:51:56 AM PDT

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