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  •  You really want to talk about Truman? (3+ / 0-)
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    Waiting until the 4th year of his term to sign his executive order desegregating the military, then waiting 3 more years to even begin to implement it; and that, with no existing law on the books that he had to defy.

    I wish folks would stop using Truman as a club to bash Obama with when they appear to not know the real history of Truman's executive order.

    Here is a brief article on Truman's efforts.

    Truman's efforts were laudable, but I will quote the sentence for which this site would have vilified him as a dithering coward:

    On July 26, 1951, the US Army formally announced its plans to desegregate, exactly three years after Truman issued Executive Order 9981.

    Would this site have been satisfied with Truman's waiting until his 4th year to sign an executive order then wait three more years to begin implementing his executive order?  Would this site be satisfied with Obama signing an executive order (nevermind even waiting until his 4th year in office) suspending DADT enforcement, then waiting three more years to actually do take action on that executive order?  I think the answer is NO in both cases, and rightly so.  

    So, sure, call for Obama to sign an order, but don't call for him to follow Truman's example.  Most here would be quite pissed if he did as Truman did.

    •  And you're a Democrat? (1+ / 0-)
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      YucatanMan

      You routinely vilify every Democratic President who preceded Obama.  Truman did it coming into the teeth of the 1948 election.  Thurmond took 30 electoral votes from him.  

      Do you think Obama will take a similarly courageous stance?

    •  difference is (0+ / 0-)

      Obama isn't even going to sign that EO even in the eighth year of his presidency.  He doesn't have that kind of courage.

      I wish more people were thoughtful and honest but being outraged is too much fun I suppose

      by Guinho on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 10:44:14 PM PDT

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    •  See also: American Civil Rights Movement (1+ / 0-)
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      (1955-1968)

      I don't want your country back..I want my country forward - Bill Maher

      by Eric Nelson on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 10:47:38 PM PDT

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    •  "waiting until his 4th year" is such a cop-out (4+ / 0-)
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      Meteor Blades, OLinda, decca, goinsouth

      phrase. hahahaha

      Why don't you say what it really was:  "Staring into the teeth of the upcoming election, against popular opposition in the Congress and American populace, Harry S Truman signed an executive order requiring the integration of US Armed Forces."

      And then he went on to show that he had the stuff it takes to win an election right after doing so.

      You try to make it sound like he was cowardly, when in fact, his move was enormously ballsy.

      As far as the three years to implement, remember that we were talking about putting troops into new positions for which they had never been trained. You cannot just shuffle pilots with potato peelers and expect everything to function during very very cold parts of the Cold War.  You have to cross-train, back-fill and move people judiciously to maintain effectiveness of a global power.

      In TODAY's case, we are talking about not throwing people out who are already in their trained positions.  In today's case, the order could have immediate effect without any change in readiness. That was not true for integration of the military.

      Progress occurs when courageous, skillful leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better. -- Harry S Truman

      by YucatanMan on Tue Sep 21, 2010 at 10:48:07 PM PDT

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      •  a few other facts to interfere with his storyline (1+ / 0-)
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        There was still the biggest war in the history of the human race taking place in the time period that Escamillo is talking about.  No idea why Truman didn't try to end racism in the military while finishing off the Nazis and fighting imperial Japan at the same time.

        And aside from training, there were also entirely separate command structures, facilities and logistics to be integrated.  It would be like trying to make the Marines part of the Army - not gonna happen overnight, my friend.

        I'm surprised he didn't throw in the "FDR threw blacks under the bus with Social Security" canard while he was at it.

        ThAnswr "If the administration can't fight for it's friends, don't expect us to fight their enemies."

        by Uberbah on Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 05:04:39 AM PDT

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