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  •  I'm talking about the fact that there is no (0+ / 0-)

    evidence to support the notion that charter schools get better results than public schools.  Oprah could have as easily donated the money to PUBLIC schools in your area.

    This is rich...."But suddenly when it's your schools for your very own children, you're less willing to accept a really lousy status quo."

    Did you read the example I wrote about?  It's exactly the opposite of your assertation.  It was the poor african americans, the very people the Charter school movement, embraced by Mayor Fenty, professes to help, that kicked Fenty out and want Rhee gone.  

    Medicare for All is Fiscal Responsibility

    by masslib on Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 10:04:07 PM PDT

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    •  Our charter school IS public (0+ / 0-)

      and there is copious documented evidence that it, and the other schools run by the same non-profit, do in fact outperform district-run public schools.  We, and East Palo Alto, and Compton and every poor city with an Aspire charter school that demonstrably out-performs district-based charters are thrilled to have an alternative to a lousy status quo.  If it's not working elsewhere, then things need to be fixed in that particular case.  

      Surely we're intelligent enough not to say b/c there are some bad charters all charters are bad.  Revoke charters from bad schools.  But don't take that one decent choice away from parents and students who, in a totally open public lottery, have been fortunate enough to have the quality of education that is taken for granted in many communities.

      •  Aspire is publicy funded but privately run. (0+ / 0-)

        Further, the network relies heavily on donations.  What happens when those donations dry up?  It's simply not a scalable model.  Further, do you understand there is an entire policy afoot of weakening unions, dismantling neighborhood schools and building on the Charter school movement despite evidence that they will not improve education?

        www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/education/02charters.html?pagewanted=all

        Look, no one is trying to take away your charter school, but I don't think people having to rely on a lottery for the chance to send their child to a charter, that may be better than the public(but in many cases actually is not) is a valid national education policy.  As former school choice advocate Diane Ravich says "Charters enroll 3 percent of the kids.  The system that educates 97 percent, no one’s paying any attention to." I think that there is alot of propaganda coming out right now from Oprah and Gates, etc., around the charter school movement and I don't think it's helpful.

        Medicare for All is Fiscal Responsibility

        by masslib on Wed Sep 22, 2010 at 10:54:54 PM PDT

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        •  Point well taken (0+ / 0-)

          I totally agree that we need to do something to fix the large number of inadequate public schools, and I very strongly believe that we need to do that in the public realm.  

          I also agree that the Aspire model is not scalable.  However, I'm so incredibly thankful that it was an option for my child and am very aware of what my options were had I not won the lottery.  I'm committed to trying to figure out a way for children to get this kind of an education without having to literally win the lottery to get it.  Every child deserves that,and it should be publicly provided.  I just don't know how we get there from here.

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