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  •  Are your kidding...we are about to flip both (3+ / 0-)
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    houses of Congress because we have been so successful.  The American public absolutely does not agree...they think that they have been screwed and they hold the democrats responsible.  I do not know how you can qualify that as success. That is like saying that I was successful at my job but I am being fired because my boss doesn't agree.

    "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

    by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 04:15:51 PM PDT

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    •  i am talking about successfully governing (1+ / 0-)
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      the democrats may not have fulfilled the dreams of liberals in the last 2 years but they have successfully governed

      consider everything that has happened the last 2 years and tell me that democrats have poorly governed

      you may not like that they haven't transformed the country in 2 years but they were not elected to transform the country.  they were elected to govern the country and that is exactly what they did.

      •  change (0+ / 0-)

        change was about competent governing as opposed to idiotic governing that we had experienced for 8 long years and 30 long decades of partisan gridlock

        Obama and democrats said they would get things done.  they have.  they have not gotten everything everyone wanted done, but they has gotten done what they said they would get done with few exceptions all of which they have continued to work to accomplish.

        •  I think people would quibble with the idea (1+ / 0-)
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          that the Dems have 'gotten done' what they said they would get done. They 'got done' a fraction of what they said they would and failed miserably on several other things. It's like someone owing you $25 and giving you back $5 and then asking for another tenner based on the fact that they 'paid you back' even though...they didn't, not really.  

          •  They overpromised and underdelivered and not (0+ / 0-)

            only that, they got caught playing footsie with the same people that inflicted all the pain and suffering in the first place.  To be fair, the House D's did their job...but the Senate totally betrayed us on everything.

            "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

            by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:14:45 PM PDT

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      •  The problem is the American public doesn't think (2+ / 0-)
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        so...but we will have to wait until November to settle the argument.

        "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

        by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 04:48:12 PM PDT

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        •  this is silly (0+ / 0-)

          the country is 50 states filled with diverse people and groups.  there is no 'thing' that the public thinks.  when we have an election in 2012 then we will know something about what the country as a whole thinks, but the mid terms are all local elections.  i've been around this country enough to know how different people think.  the reasons some democrats will win and some will lose are going to be different.

          i live in a pretty liberal city in washington state, but i can go 5 minutes out of town and i might as well be in kansas.  i listen to the talk radio around here.  liberal in the morning.  libertarian in the mid day.  independent in the afternoon.  conservative in the evening.  all on the same news channel.  all for the same region.

          if democrats want to have a party in power we have to accept that some of us are going to be different from others and we have to learn to cooperate and compromise instead of demonize each other.

          •  Yeah....just like our Senators cooperated to kill (3+ / 0-)
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            real financial and healthcare reform...the Senate where good legislation goes to die or get gutted.....by wait for it...Democrats.  

            "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

            by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 05:15:32 PM PDT

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            •  they didn't kill 'real' reform. (1+ / 0-)
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              they didn't reform the way you wanted them to.  the way some democrats in the senate wanted to, but others didn't.  that is called compromise.

              if you don't think you need to compromise in government then you are as deluded as the religious right

              this is the problem with ideology.  you think that just because you believe in it that it has some authority.  it's just ideas.  made by regular people like you and me.  the ideas are not sacred.

              •  You keep ignoring that fact that the majority of (0+ / 0-)

                Americans disagree....but I guess you will have more excuses  after the D's lose in November.  They were send to reform the system and the perception is that they capitulated to both Wall Street and the insurance industry and for that they will lose the opportunity to do anything else.  It has nothing to do with what I want or believe....what their mandate was for was pretty dam clear and they pissed it away.  

                "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

                by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:08:00 PM PDT

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                •  the majority of americans are not ideological. (0+ / 0-)

                  they are either moderates, independents or not involved in politics at all.

                  two minorities in this country are ideological.  liberals and conservatives.

                  the majority of people in this country wish that ideologues would stop screaming fire all the time.

                  the majority of people in this country do not measure the performance of democrats or republicans by how much they adhere to their ideological principles except in a negative light if they are too extreme.

                  both liberals and conservatives who BELIEVE that the majority of the country wants them to govern ideologically are DELUDING themselves.  

                  •  the majority of americans (0+ / 0-)

                    wish ideologues on the left and right would stop immobilizing government with their constant fight for power

                    if you don't think i'm right about this just ask yourself why people like dennis kucinich never have a chance in hell of winning a national election

                    and don't give me the nonsense that the media is out to stop the real true heroes of the left.  Obama came out of nowhere to win and he's black.  he won because he was not an ideologue.  the majority of people in this country do not want ideologues to govern.

                    •  No they want results that improve their lives.... (0+ / 0-)

                      and that is what the D's failed to deliver.

                      "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

                      by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:37:16 PM PDT

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                    •  Candidate Obama came to Iowa during a time of... (0+ / 0-)

                      ...change.

                      Obama came out of nowhere to win and he's black.

                      Four months before the Iowa Democratic Caucus, Iowa had its first legal same sex marriage.

                      It was kinda' big news here in Iowa at the time.

                      Iowans saw change happening around them, and along comes a candidate with change as his slogan.

                      People here saw change happening, and they had hope, and the message of change resonated well with what was happening here on the ground.

                      The destruction of marriage is scorched earth politics.
                      They can pry the wedding rings from our cold dead fingers.

                      by banach tarski paradox on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:56:02 PM PDT

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