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  •  Yeah....just like our Senators cooperated to kill (3+ / 0-)
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    Picot verde, FeDhu, m00finsan

    real financial and healthcare reform...the Senate where good legislation goes to die or get gutted.....by wait for it...Democrats.  

    "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

    by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 05:15:32 PM PDT

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    •  they didn't kill 'real' reform. (1+ / 0-)
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      they didn't reform the way you wanted them to.  the way some democrats in the senate wanted to, but others didn't.  that is called compromise.

      if you don't think you need to compromise in government then you are as deluded as the religious right

      this is the problem with ideology.  you think that just because you believe in it that it has some authority.  it's just ideas.  made by regular people like you and me.  the ideas are not sacred.

      •  You keep ignoring that fact that the majority of (0+ / 0-)

        Americans disagree....but I guess you will have more excuses  after the D's lose in November.  They were send to reform the system and the perception is that they capitulated to both Wall Street and the insurance industry and for that they will lose the opportunity to do anything else.  It has nothing to do with what I want or believe....what their mandate was for was pretty dam clear and they pissed it away.  

        "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

        by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:08:00 PM PDT

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        •  the majority of americans are not ideological. (0+ / 0-)

          they are either moderates, independents or not involved in politics at all.

          two minorities in this country are ideological.  liberals and conservatives.

          the majority of people in this country wish that ideologues would stop screaming fire all the time.

          the majority of people in this country do not measure the performance of democrats or republicans by how much they adhere to their ideological principles except in a negative light if they are too extreme.

          both liberals and conservatives who BELIEVE that the majority of the country wants them to govern ideologically are DELUDING themselves.  

          •  the majority of americans (0+ / 0-)

            wish ideologues on the left and right would stop immobilizing government with their constant fight for power

            if you don't think i'm right about this just ask yourself why people like dennis kucinich never have a chance in hell of winning a national election

            and don't give me the nonsense that the media is out to stop the real true heroes of the left.  Obama came out of nowhere to win and he's black.  he won because he was not an ideologue.  the majority of people in this country do not want ideologues to govern.

            •  No they want results that improve their lives.... (0+ / 0-)

              and that is what the D's failed to deliver.

              "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

              by lakehillsliberal on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:37:16 PM PDT

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            •  Candidate Obama came to Iowa during a time of... (0+ / 0-)

              ...change.

              Obama came out of nowhere to win and he's black.

              Four months before the Iowa Democratic Caucus, Iowa had its first legal same sex marriage.

              It was kinda' big news here in Iowa at the time.

              Iowans saw change happening around them, and along comes a candidate with change as his slogan.

              People here saw change happening, and they had hope, and the message of change resonated well with what was happening here on the ground.

              The destruction of marriage is scorched earth politics.
              They can pry the wedding rings from our cold dead fingers.

              by banach tarski paradox on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 07:56:02 PM PDT

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