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  •  Treaties (1+ / 0-)
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    Tyto Alba

    Of course, Israel and the U.S. have signed U.N. treaties. Which, at least under the U.S. Constitution, obligates us under law.

    •  Which treaty precisely (3+ / 0-)
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      burrow owl, Corwin Weber, Mets102

      do you believe is material here?

      Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

      by MBNYC on Sat Oct 02, 2010 at 02:10:18 PM PDT

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      •  Israel is not a signatory (1+ / 0-)
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        burrow owl

        tp a lot of conventions, treaties and agreements relating to the law of war.  

        Theoretically, they are supposed to implement UNSC resolutions, but that's about it.  

        Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

        by Eiron on Sat Oct 02, 2010 at 02:13:17 PM PDT

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        •  U.N. Report (5+ / 0-)

          If you read the report which I link at the bottom of my article to, you will find the 66 page pdf file of the U.N. report. Within the report it lists several articles that both the U.S. and Israel are signatories to. In fact, the diary above also lists a couple.

          All one needs to do is read the report. But, if I need to go back to the report to cut and paste more, well I guess I will if need be.

      •  Let's Not Confuse Facts With Opinions (4+ / 0-)

        The number one thing that stood out to me through this entire ordeal was Israel's complete lack of cooperation with this investigation. Perhaps if they had been willing to participate fully, their side of the story would be given more credibility. When I see one side destroying evidence and keeping their own soldiers from testifying, I can only conclude that there is something to hide. I think that we should focus not on the commissions possible bias but rather on the unwillingness of one particular side to come forward with any hard evidence (other than a grainy video which we all know in our heart of hearts can be altered). I think the cooperating side will always be given an advantage in the eyes of the public. If we want to believe Israel incapable of perpetrating such an act, than they should be willing to offer up the proof.

        I also believe that the acts of that early morning raid would not have been supported by the majority of Israeli citizens. I have said this before and I still believe it. Israel is dominated by a hard line hawkish government. Until this changes, and until they are willing and able to accept their role in the problems in the Middle East, nothing will be achieved.

        •  Of course they weren't going to cooperate (5+ / 0-)

          w/ the UNHRC.  No rational person in Israel's position would.  

          •  Yep. Apartheid South Africa never did either. (2+ / 0-)
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            Mathazar, teabaggerssuckbalz

            You're quite right, no rational government in a similar position would cooperate with the UN or any major human rights organization, let alone the UNHRC.  Can't disagree with you.

            -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

            by neroden on Sat Oct 02, 2010 at 04:35:32 PM PDT

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          •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

            If Israel would reply, present documented facts of the raid, give back all confiscated cell phones and video equipment, and publicly discuss their role in the raid, they would vindicate themselves. Think about an accused criminal (I said accused, not guilty) who because they don't think the opposing lawyer is above board, refuses to cooperate in his own defense. Meanwhile, the accuser is getting their story and facts recorded for the record. This is not a question of whether you believe the investigating body is legitimate. It's a question of getting your side of the story out there no matter who is telling it. If the investigation warps your facts or distorts them, you then have a right to call the investigation a hoax. Otherwise you are contributing to the continued notion of your guilt.

    •  Now that the report has ben endorsed (2+ / 0-)
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      neroden, Anorish

      the next step is to refer it to the General Assembly.  US is trying to block that.  They could refer it to the ICC, but ISrael isn't a signing state.  

      Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

      by Eiron on Sat Oct 02, 2010 at 02:15:30 PM PDT

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