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  •  You're missing the point (11+ / 0-)

    The point is that the wealthy are overwhelmingly against the social safety net, but they have no problems using it even though they don't even need it.

    The most impressive thing about man [...] is the fact that he has invented the concept of that which does not exist--Glenn Gould

    by Rich in PA on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 08:49:04 AM PDT

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    •  Not sure this is true or helpful to give away (3+ / 0-)

      the wealthy are overwhelmingly against the social safety net

      The narrative we get is certainly that wealthy people are against the safety net but the immoral, greedy, selfish, crooks who are wealthy should not be used to define all of the wealthy. We have many wealthy Democrats eager support the effort to make changes and regulate these bastards. I would be more precise in the generality if that's not contradictory.

      I think the point is that a safety net is meant for people facing danger, who are not safe, and is not meant for the rich. The investment employers make in unemployment insurance is meant to aid the unemployed who need it (and disincent capricious firings).

      Regardless of legality, there's no fundamental or design element about UI that indicates it's meant for everyone (like as is with Social Security). UI may be an entitlement but a person has to take action to apply for it. There are moral and social imperatives not to waste resources meant for those in need. A rich person applying for UI is not living up to their personal responsibilities and is being immoral and shameful. In fact, there are people who do not take Social Security for the same reason. Means testing can be voluntary in lieu of better/different regulations.

      If the shameful behavior is also coming from critics of safety net investment they're not just immoral and greedy but hypocrites as well.    

      "People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy," Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins.

      by kck on Mon Oct 04, 2010 at 10:03:02 AM PDT

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    •  Yup. It's the hypocrisy (1+ / 0-)
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      The issue isn't collecting the wages per se, it's collecting the wages when (a) you don't personally need them to survive while (b) simultaneously trying to deny the same wages to those who DO need them to survive with the implication that the only reason those dirty "others" want the wages is because they are lazy.

    •  Say what? (0+ / 0-)

      AFAIK, there is no significant positive correlation between conservatism and income in the general population.  In fact, I've read several articles over the past few years that suggest that the correlation is negative -- that the poorest Americans also tend to be the most conservative.

      Your sig is very apropos.

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