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  •  Is democracy already dead in America? (24+ / 0-)

    Teresa Hines Kerry once told me that if we really wanted to get the government's attention, we should mass on the five bridges leading into DC and shut the city down.  I think this is the sort of thing we're going to have to do if we want to have any real impact.  Of course they'll freak if we do it and people will be beaten and arrested no doubt.  But if we can't face that threat, take that risk and make that sacrifice then we are going to continue to lose.

    So pretty much, some (or many) of us are going to have to be sacrificed in order to bring about change. How many Americans will need to die at the hands of other Americans to bring about change?

    If this the only last best way remaining way left to change America, then democracy in the United States is already dead.

      •  What's the option? (1+ / 0-)
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        There is no democracy left in this country.

          If not, why is anyone attempting to change the membership in Congress?  If there in no democracy there are only two alternatives: shackles or bombs.  If voting doesn't count then all those who have died for this country since the Revolutionary War have died in vain.  Do we really want to leave that as our legacy to our grandchildren...that the noble experiment that Lincoln talked of is a calossal failure?

        ...toward a better tomorrow.

        by Steve Love on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 03:44:09 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't say it made me happy. (3+ / 0-)

          I'd love nothing more than to turn it around.  I just don't believe we will ever get the change we need from our corrupt electoral system.  I've seen us try and fail for 50 years.  There has got to be another way - though I don't claim to know what it is.  For the present system to ever be worth a damn we are going to have to, at the very least, shake it to its core (IMHO).

          •  You must have an awfully high satisfaction (2+ / 0-)
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            index.  I waited for 75 YEARS to see a black man elected President and guess what I got on my 75th birthday: a black President!  I grew up in the segregated South...member of a segregationist Democratic Party and we HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT!    If you think that was not progress you did not grow up in the South that I grew up in.
              And I saw an Irish Catholic get elected President, something my protestant forebearers would not have approved of.  And I saw a crook forced out of the Presidency by the process!  And I saw the Civil Rights Acts passed and blacks allowed to move from the back of the bus to seats in Congress AND THE PRESIDENCY! [As an 8-year old I sat on the back of the bus just to give a finger to the bigots who made the rules.]  Maybe racial tolerance does not mean much where you come from but where I came from it separated the men from the boys.  You were a "nigger-lover" if you believed the wrong thing about blacks.
              And I saw my father elected secretary of his union and saw him spend my high school days negotiating contracts that made the men he represented members of the middle class!  That was something to them!!!
              If all you have seen is failure for 50 years, maybe, as the old farmer said about the guy who only saw horse shit, "Maybe you need to look at the other end of the horse."  ;-)
              As for what to do.  Hell, run for something! Or get behind someone who is running for something!  You might get beat, but if you are like me, they won't get a virgin!  It won't be the first time I have lost something.  
               Listen, buddy, we have one go at life.  We have a choice to give our all to something we think matters or to sit on the sideline and watch others do it.  We get to choose: player or spectator...combatant on the field or popcorn-eater in the stands.  If you haven't decided which you want to be, now is not too late.  We can do this together! :-)

            ...toward a better tomorrow.

            by Steve Love on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 06:28:04 PM PDT

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