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  •  Well, yes in an Orwellian sense of confusion. (8+ / 0-)

    It's an extremely general abstraction but very complex and therefore easily abused in specific applications.  Beyond simply the fact that there are legitimate differences of opinion about when and how the word is applicable in varying concepts.

    With corporatism and the necessities for the creation of a totalitarian state, one of the bedrock propagandistic achievements is to destroy age old concepts such as the distinction between freedom and slavery.  Freedom is slavery.  The forerunner was/is the "Greed is good" mantra from the 80's onward.

    Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue." - Francois De La Rochefoucauld

    by blueoasis on Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 03:43:57 PM PDT

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    •  I only can express myself very simply (12+ / 0-)

      what I meant by the above and what gets at me is that the Beckanians and Palinistas fight "for freedom and equality" and "want their country back and their values restored". The progressive Democrats too "fight for freedom and equality and justice and want also their country back and ethical values protected." So, why are both sides then not "best buddies in arms"?  

      If my sister in Germany would listen to the slogans from both sides, she wouldn't understand just by the wording, what the difference between the two sides are.

      If speech is money, and greed is beneficial and freedom is slavery and democracy is authoritarianism etc, why going through the trouble to understand all these different words' meaning, if they - in the common wisdom these days - do mean the same?

      As both sides definitely don't fight for the same outcomes, you wonder why the one side can get away with it using those words without repercussions. Lies are the truth and the liars get away with it. That's betrayal.

      •  Mimi, they define it differently. (3+ / 0-)
        The 'baggers want to go back to a non-existent past where Wally and Beaver were real people and Father Knows Best was a documentary. Back to a time where women and minorities "knew their place." A time where the government could do things like the Tuskeegee experiments on people in secret, where the government could do no wrong and it was "anti-American" to ask questions. That's what they mean when they say that 'they want their country back.'

        It's nothing like what we want for America - for it to live up to its promises and potential for everyone.

        "Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success." -7.75/-6.05

        by QuestionAuthority on Wed Oct 06, 2010 at 06:26:04 AM PDT

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        •  I know that. (0+ / 0-)

          But you can't allow them to use these words and expressions, knowing they are using it for policies that are opposite to the meaning of their own words. Their expression's meaning is turned upside down and completely ab- or misused.

          As long as Democrats don't verbally beat them over the head for that abuse and let them get away with it, they will end up being an enabler of their goals.

          And for Progressive using the same words (in their real meaning) isn't going to be enough to distance themselves from the lies of the other side and to fight for the true meaning of its own words and goals.

          You can't stop calling a lie a lie and calling a liar a liar.

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