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  •  "I HR'd exactly two comments in ... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...in the midst of a flamewar where HR abuse and uprating of over the top insults was rampant, and utterly ignored."

    You keep saying this, but you keep ignoring the fact that you had been warned twice previously about your ratings abuses. Moreover you do not know how many other people were warned during that particular flamewar.

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 03:05:02 PM PDT

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    •  Given that the worst abusers continue (0+ / 0-)

      to uprate and HR, they obviously haven't been sanctioned.

      And given your continued refusal to document the ugly public aspersions you cast on my character (in violation of your own rules requiring documentation of accusations of racism), it is clear you aren't an objective observer in this case.

      I find it interesting that I was sanctioned immediately after submitting a complaint to you about rampant HR and uprec abuse by two members of the very same gang who caused the trouble in the first place, and whose arguments you supported with your attacks saying my arguments were "akin" to "the progenitors of Jim Crow".

      Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

      by RandomActsOfReason on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 03:09:24 PM PDT

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      •  My remarks concerning your... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...comments on the Naches tea party float were clear and related to that diary. I do not plan to comment further on that subject. I've informed you of your right of appeal.

        Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 03:14:38 PM PDT

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        •  You clearly commented generally beyond that diary (0+ / 0-)

          I have read extensively your views....

          ...about what does and does not constitute racism. I don't find them complex. I find them offensive. Your "rational" dismissal of the views of others in these matters, boiled down, amounts to repeated assertions of that's-not-racism and that's-not-either. This is insulting and frequently verges on racism itself. Not everything tea partiers do is based on racism, to be sure, and few people are saying that. But you repeatedly deny even the most obvious instances of tea party racism, such as that exhibited in Naches. Dress up that denial in "rationality" all you like. The progenitors of Jim Crow had theories to back up their behavior, too.

          Those are the comments that are frequently quoted here by the little gang of  thugs here. It is crystal clear to them, as to me, what you were saying about me.

          You made not one, but several accusations that I am a racist, a racist denier, and that my arguments are similar to those of the progenitors of Jim Crow.

          Then, of course, you simply said you were only talking about "THIS DIARY" - but then went on, again, to state,

          Some of your arguments sometimes verge on what I consider to be racism and  the constant appeal to so-called rationality to attack various users here who raise the issue of racism is not unlike the seemingly rational arguments in favor of racism put forth by the inventors and maintainers of Jim Crow. Does that make you a backer of Jim Crow? No. Does that make you a supporter of the Tea Party? No.

          Your use of "extensively reviewed", "repeated assertions", "repeatedly deny", "such as that exhibited in Naches", "some of your arguments sometimes verge on", "constant appeal to so-called rationality...not unlike the seemingly rational arguments in favor of racism put forth by the inventors and maintainers of Jim Crow",

          Those repeated, deliberate terms make clear that you are accusing me not of making a bad argument in a single diary, but of a consistent pattern of arguments that lead you to draw conclusions about my character and intent.

          You have refused to substantiate a single one of your accusations.

          You have refused to withdraw your ugly insinuations and outright accusations.

          You have refused to comment on others - particularly a specific group of people - quoting your comments back to me whenever they encounter me.

          Meteor Blades, your accusations are false and unfounded. You have no evidence to back them up. They are personally offensive. They are inappropriate for someone in your position to make. They are lies.

          My right to appeal? Really? So I write an email to Markos saying, "Tim called me a racist, I'm not a racist"? Yeah, that is going to solve everything.

          Give me a break. You are abusing your power here. refusing to hold yourself to the rules you created, and also just exemplifying and modeling the worst type of behavior in an online community - attacking the messenger and employing character assassination and using insinuations and indirect smears to discredit a messenger, rather than rationally addressing the substance of their message.

          And you don't help the cause of rational discourse by continually mocking "rationality" - or by your other comment mocking me for the length of my comments.

          Stop hiding behind your badge. Either prove that I have "constantly, repeatedly" promoted arguments akin to the "progenitors of Jim Crow", that I have "constantly, repeatedly" denied the existence of racism in the Tea Party, that I have "constantly, repeatedly" denied the existence of white racism, period - or withdraw your allegations and publicly apologize - and tell the little gang of thugs to stop quoting those ugly words of yours.

          Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

          by RandomActsOfReason on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 07:26:30 PM PDT

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