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  •  I think you're going to have to (2+ / 0-)
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    Andrew Lazarus, neroden

    walk me through that analogy . . . .

    I'm struggling to get what you mean.

    'Cuz wasn't the man by the side of the road's problem that none of the local people would help out - therefore a stranger from far away had to step in (i.e., The Good Samaritan).

    So is your point here that since the local fire department didn't respond - that Mr. Crannick should have called a far away fire department, maybe the NYFD?

    •  I see (1+ / 0-)
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      what your problem is now.

      •  I'm glad that you have have (1+ / 0-)
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        discerned what my problem is; could you kindly enlighten me?

        •  Anybody who hasn't grasped (1+ / 0-)
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          the actual meaning of the parable of the Good Samaritan ...

          •  For sure, I haven't grasped why (1+ / 0-)
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            we should model our society after a 2000+ year old book full of fables . . . for example, going through the story of the Good Samaritan, I seem to have gleaned an entirely different take home message than you did.  Perhaps if were both Jews living in Palestine we'd see eye to eye on this (but alas, we are not!).

            Having said that, The Bible *does* for sure contain some good advice - heck, if we had only heeded the warnings in Leviticus about mixing different types of fabrics, the whole fashion disaster that was the 1970's could have been avoided!

            •  Well, (1+ / 0-)
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              I didn't think "love thy neighbor as thyself," interpreting "neighbor" as "fellow human being," was such an old-fashioned idea.  In fact, I thought it was the moral basis of the liberal welfare state.

              But, go ahead, be a jerk, see if I care.  

              •  The county refuses to be part of society (2+ / 0-)
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                TheGreatLeapForward, Roadbed Guy

                Refuses to set up a tax-funded fire district.  Actually, they already have one, but it only exists on paper because the county legislature refuses to fund it!

                Why should the city, which is responsible and pays taxes for its own fire department, bail them out -- over and over and over and over again over the course of more than 20 years?  You are arguing for being a sucker.  

                While perhaps Jesus also argued that Christians should be suckers, that's not a good model for a government.

                Mark my words, the result of this will be that the city fire department will simply refuse to answer calls outside the city.  Then maybe the county will start pulling its weight.

                -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

                by neroden on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 12:38:53 PM PDT

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              •  The situation here is thsy country under (1+ / 0-)
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                discussion explicity rejected the liberal welfare state.

                From afar, I'd like to say I know what's best for them and enact federal regulations to impose it back on them.

                But I struggle with the wisdom of doing that because after living there I realize that will simply generate a good deal of animosity (notwithstanding the ironic fact that others will likely be paying much of the bill . . .) that in the long run will be entirely counterproductive.

                •  Wow, that's some bad spelling right there (0+ / 0-)

                  in the title - which should say "the county"

                  which evokes memories of deliberately miss-spelling words in grade school so as not to appear to be trying to be "teacher's pet" (god only knows why I still do it?)

        •  so a kid sneaks onto a private beach (1+ / 0-)
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          without paying - you, the lifeguard, knowing he didn't pay, would let him drown, right?

          Anyways he knowingly gambled and he lost.  Too fuckin' bad.

          I, being kind of a cheapskate, try to drive across the mojave desert in the middle of summer without buying a couple of gallons of water for the trip...when my car breaks down, i'm soon dying of roadbed guy, stop and ask me what happened - hearing my story, you leave me with this:

          you knowingly gambled and you lost.  Too fuckin' bad.

          republicans: either crooked of crazy...or, in some cases, both

          by memofromturner on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 11:56:39 AM PDT

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          •  The key question here is (1+ / 0-)
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            before this happened

            i'm soon dying of roadbed guy, stop and ask me what happened - hearing my story, you leave me with this:

            you knowingly gambled and you lost.  Too fuckin' bad.

            did I interact with you and for a modest fee (say $5) offer to provide you water if you became lost in the desert.

            If this was the case, and you declined this service, then yeah, too fuckin' bad.

            If however (as your narrative seems to lay out the situation) I just happened to be driving through the desert and met up with you in the situation you describe without any previous interactions, I'd be happy to help you out.

            And about the kid sneaking onto the beach, wouldn't that be similar to Mr. Crannick sneaking into town, and while there expecting the fire department to put out a fire engulfing his pick-up truck?  If I understand their policies, they would have done that.

    •  One of the lessons in this parable (0+ / 0-)

      is that those who turn their backs on their fellow human in need and walks on by for what-ever Reason so to will Jesus turn his Back on them when it their time "in need","as you have done unto others so to shall it be done unto you".They had the tools and for those Firefighters who "say" they follow Jesus they are duty-bound by their Faith in Christ to stop that fire because that is what Jesus command of those who believe in him But they choose not to well it's not me they have to answer to but I know that if I was a firefighter there then I would have been one Fired Firefighter cause I would have been trying my damndest to stop the fire and the Money owed and my own Paycheck be Damned.

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