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  •  Why should we give it up? (20+ / 0-)

    Because you know we live in a plutocracy and we the people have no choice and no hope?  Or is there another reason why we cannot provide healthcare like every other civilized country on the planet?

    •  Okay, keep beating your head up against a brick (1+ / 0-)
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      wall if you can't accept the fact that the majority of the public doesn't support your position.  You do believe in democracy don't you?

      "Because I am a river to my people."

      by lordcopper on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 06:15:42 PM PDT

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      •  I thought a majority of the public (12+ / 0-)

        was in favor of a public option, as they understood it anyway.  No one likes health insurance companies, no one!  Given reasonable choices do you really think the public would say no to taking corrupt, evil companies out of the equation?  No, no one, even the low info voters, if explained properly to them, would be against that.

        •  There's no consensus of opinion of what the PO (0+ / 0-)

          is.  It's the political equivalent of a rorshach test, it is what you want it to be because it doesn't exist.  If it's so popular, how come the only people crashing town hall meetings last year were opposing reform?  I am so tired of the keyboard commandos on this site telling everyone that the administration's problem is they aren't "progressive" enough. The problem is that we spent a year with Democrats arguing with Democrats while to voters were worried about their jobs.

          Why aren't all these people who want a public option beating their Rep./Sen. about the neck and head until they support it?

          "Because I am a river to my people."

          by lordcopper on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 06:31:06 PM PDT

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          •  I know you know the answers to your questions. (6+ / 0-)

            People don't understand the PO because Democrats did not explain it to them.  As far as town hall meetings go, the democratic leaders pretty much dropped out of sight during that madness last summer.  So who is supposed to rally?  And all of us here most indeed did do what we could as far as letters, petitions, calls, etc.  

            I am not a keyboard commando.  I am an older person who is losing hope.  I don't think it's fair for you to denigrate me when I am living through this.  Frankly, I see people like you as the true elitists.  You don't seem to give a hoot about the down-trodden.  You seem to only care about the politics and the games.  I am viewing this from down below, not way up above like you apparently.

      •  Medicare for all polled above 60% (2+ / 0-)
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        truong son traveler, blueoasis

        That's a phrase ordinary people can understand.  Language like "public option" and "single payer" only communicate to a relatively small number of policy/politics geeks.  

        from Wiki...

        Polling is varied when pollsters ask Americans whether or not they support a single payer system or some type of "medicare for all" plan.

        Between 2003 to 2009, 17 opinion polls showed that the majority of Americans supported a single-payer system.[25] These polls are from sources such as CNN,[26] AP-Yahoo,[27][28] Quinnipiac,[29] New York Times/CBS News Poll,[30][31] Washington Post/ABC News Poll, [32] Kaiser Family Foundation[33] and the Civil Society Institute. [34]

        In October 2003, a Washington Post poll found that 62% supported "a universal health insurance program, in which everyone is covered under a program like Medicare that's run by the government and financed by taxpayers."[35]

        A poll of practicing physicians in Massachusetts published by the American Medical Association (AMA) found that 55.7% of AMA members and 66.8% of non-members preferred "single payer" as a basis for reform over the other alternatives offered of "managed care" and "fee for service". Overall support for single payer was 63.5% compared to 25.8% for fee for service and 10.7% for managed care.[36]

        Of course, you'll probably continue to make this inaccurate claim since you apparently can't accept the fact that the majority of the public doesn't support your position.  You do believe in democracy don't you?

        FOX News is for people who can't handle reality ...
        BTW - read The Authoritarians free here.

        by kbman on Thu Oct 07, 2010 at 11:14:44 PM PDT

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