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  •  Actually it took 3 years (7+ / 0-)

    after Truman signed the EO to even begin to implement, and five years to complete the integration. So your claim that the EO was carried out the next day is patently false.

    And yes, he did also have a "study" which surveyed attitudes about racial integration.

    •  I stand corrected (0+ / 0-)

      But, that involved disbanded the standing "Negro" troops.

      Apres Bush, le deluge.

      by melvynny on Thu Oct 14, 2010 at 04:34:49 PM PDT

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    •  It would have taken a whole lot longer (7+ / 0-)

      if Truman hadn't had the brass balls to stand up to his own Army chief of staff and make it quite clear that bucking him on this issue would mean dismissal.

      Not long after Truman issued the order desegregating the armed forces, Gen. Omar Bradley (then Army COS) was quoted by the Associated Press as saying:

      The Army is not out to make any social reforms. The Army will put men of different races in different companies. It will change that policy when the nation as a whole changes it.

      Those remarks were allegedly made during a tour of inspection at Fort Knox on Tuesday, July 27, 1948. According to a story in The New York Times on Friday, July 30, 1948 (page 2, top right column; I can't link to it directly, as the historical database I'm using to call it up is subscription-only), Truman claimed that Bradley's remarks were misquoted.

      Timeline:

      1. Truman issues EO to desegregate the military
      1. Army COS tries to appease officers and men from the southern states by implying that segregation would continue despite the order
      1. The very next day, the Truman White House issues a statement to the effect that the general's remarks were misquoted
      1. The general in question stops attempting to undercut the president's policy in public and keeps his job.

      What a pity Obama would never have that kind of courage.

    •  but folks weren't still getting thrown out of... (2+ / 0-)
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      the military due to their color during the transition...

      "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." - Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Thu Oct 14, 2010 at 05:42:17 PM PDT

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    •  Youre misrepresenting what happened (1+ / 0-)
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      Early on Truman started ordering studies from the military before he even openly stated he was going to do i. During he war there were "test units" in the military and and minorities were allowed to serve (Heard of Tuskeegee, the red ball express?) just not normally as combat troops. Eventually congress bucked him and he sent them a big Fuck You by issuing the order and it was done. That doesnt mean the army changed overnight. It means the decision was made and the miliary implemented it. Just in case you dont know btw the miliary has a beuracracy that makes dc look like amateur hour. But the did it faster, better, and much more effectively than the civilian world did.

      And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

      by cdreid on Thu Oct 14, 2010 at 06:37:41 PM PDT

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