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  •  "one decent path" (3+ / 0-)
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    wsexson, Krush, fizziks

    leaves a helluva lot of people out.  It also serves to marginalize the largest segments of our population.  There will always be a need for people to do things, make things, work with their hands, and yes, even pick up our trash.  Let's just continue to make sure all of these people are as marginalized as possible.  After all, couldn't they just have taken that "one path" and all have become rocket scientists?

    •  minium wage needs to be raised (1+ / 0-)
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      that is my opinion. Nothing is more humiliating than doing crappy work (and hard work too!) and not being paid for it.

      And no one can make a living on minimum wage...and obviously a lot of people cannot (or have tried in my instance) to go the higher education route, very honestly, and did not succeed at it.

      Blame the crappy education system whatever. Some people are not uhm, smart. :) But they still deserve fair wages.

      •  It's better (1+ / 0-)
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        Krush

        To manipulate the labor market to create an environment where there's across the board competition for labor.

        At least that's just my opinion.

        This is our story...

        by Karmakin on Sun Oct 17, 2010 at 12:10:37 PM PDT

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        •  Ok but (0+ / 0-)

          having smart educated people waste their brains on McDonalds jobs is not very smart. I mean it does take a certain amount of skill to run a McDonald's people skills, making sure the french fry buttons are in concordance with the  price, ect.

          But a good many too many people are so overqualified at McDonalds right now. Don't get me wrong, they should work, but it it's such a waste for them.

          •  Yup (1+ / 0-)
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            See my post above. Economically we're overeducated as a society, not under.

            This is our story...

            by Karmakin on Sun Oct 17, 2010 at 12:19:51 PM PDT

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            •  And overeducation (0+ / 0-)

              carries a lot of costs both on the society and the workers themselves. Considering that someone 20 years ago can work for McDonald's with a high school diploma, they can start earn a living right after high school. They can save some of that money to do other things and meanwhile can advance their career early.

              Nowadays to get the same job you would spend tens of thousands and a few years in college. So at the moment they start that job they would have a debt. Also a lot of those students received public subsidy of one form or another for education.

              They went through college because they were promised that doing so would allow them to have better jobs and income. That promise has not been fulfilled. Now the folks who are unable to go to college get the shaft because employers can fill those same position with overqualified workers.

    •  Obviously there are better and worse choices (1+ / 0-)
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      from the field of candidates to satisfy the "at least one" requirement

      If the path generally chosen by societies were pro football playing, I would agree with you. Pro football intrinsically "leaves a helluva lot of people out".

      Education does not intrinsically leave a lot of people out. It leaves a few out (mentally handicapped, for example). Bad implementations, of the education route, on the other hand, DO leave a lot of people out. That's how we know the implementations are bad, in fact (lol).

      I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

      by punditician on Sun Oct 17, 2010 at 12:02:52 PM PDT

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      •  you can be really smart (1+ / 0-)
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        and still  need a trade school...I mean. Most people don't know how to fxi their own car. That is a lost skill.

        just saying.

        •  Pretty sure I never denied that... (1+ / 0-)
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          Krush

          Not explicitly, nor by implication, nor by even so much as suggestion.

          I hereby officially agree with you that there are many, many, MANY things that require a lot of skill, practice, etc.

          I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

          by punditician on Sun Oct 17, 2010 at 12:25:41 PM PDT

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          •  sort of (0+ / 0-)

            to provide roadmap to inter-generation success FOR ANYTHING you want to do.

            Rather, I think it's society's job to provide AT LEAST ONE decent way to achieve inter-generational success

            i just assumed you meant higher education for the One Roadmap To Sucess, ie not trade schools and the like.

            assuming stuff is not good though.

            •  I thought I explicitly said "at least one" (1+ / 0-)
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              Krush

              Possibly my memory is failing. If so, my apologies.

              I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

              by punditician on Sun Oct 17, 2010 at 12:36:00 PM PDT

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              •  You did (0+ / 0-)

                I assumed you meant University for the "at least one". Not trade schools.

                hence my confusion. But I now I understand.

                Trade schools must count as well, and community colleges, ect., in your argument.

                My bad, :)

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