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  •  Hitchens has gone crazy (3.50)
    And actually, he no longer does have a high tolerance for alcohol - I think it finally caught up with him.

    As to the Ohio stuff, well, I guess you just had to get that dig in a kos, didn't you?

    I don't know if the election was stolen, and we'll never be able to prove it. As I wrote about a while back, the point anyway should be about Republican disdain for democracy, not so much about individual acts of fraud or gaming the system. And maybe I'm letting them get away with it, but I think blocking the GOP agenda in Congress would be a very, very good way to not only overcome the fraud, if it existed, but also lay the groundwork for a longer-lasting progressive resurgence in this country.

    And that's all I'm gonna say about that. Time to focus on the positive. Howard Dean sustains my interest much more than an overblown drunken hack like Hitchens.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:15:10 PM PST

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    •  Whoops (none)
      The "get the dig in at kos" was directed at the diarist, not you. Sorry.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

      by eugene on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:15:57 PM PST

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      •  Yes I did (3.66)
        because Hitchens conclusion on this was identical to mine: we have to do everything to get at those machines.

        The Kos administrators couldn't even be convinced to support the shitty recount we did get.

        And oh boy, did we take a lot of shit.

        So, yes, I HAD to get that dig in.

        The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

        by BooMan23 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:22:06 PM PST

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        •  The proof of the election was in the recount (4.00)
          ...and my favorite cheating technique was the stickers placed over the Kerry oval with the Bush oval filled in my hand. A creative way to cheat when there is a paper trail.
          •  All under the seal of the recount (4.00)
            Ballot tampering right in front of God and everybody, and yet, nothing was ever done about it.  And there really was little to no mention of those stickers in the press.  Certainly not outside of the state of Ohio.

            My favorite is the technician coming in to fix the machine and surprising the elections clerk who did not even know it needed to be fixed.  He swapped out some parts and asked what the recount numbers were, and told them how he could post a cheat sheet on the wall to make it easier for the poll commissioners to get the correct count.

            •  You mean that you like the stickers and swapping (4.00)
              better than running ballots through a machine over because the numbers don't match up, and then sending out for a new machine when those silly pesky numbers still won't cooperate?

              "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. --- "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat. "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."

              by dnn on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 07:10:25 AM PST

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    •  re: (4.00)
      As I wrote about a while back, the point anyway should be about Republican disdain for democracy, not so much about individual acts of fraud or gaming the system.

      The grandeur of the GOP's plans for us and the world is built on knowing they gained power through fraud and that they can do it again because no one's called them on it. As far as they know, there is no cost for their evil and no limit to their power so why not go whole hog?

      This is what's wrong with focussing on their disdain and ignoring how they got their illegal power in the first place.

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