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  •  And he'll be a Blue Dog for life too. (1+ / 0-)
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    There is no crimson red Senator voting for Health Care Public Options or Medicare for all.

    And you can kiss Card Check goodbye as well.

    The same political realities that bind Lincoln and Nelson will bind Conway.

    So the question is begged, why would you get excited and support this type of ad just for a guy that you'll loathe if he won?

    "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

    by Common Cents on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 02:02:54 PM PDT

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    •  Wrong. (3+ / 0-)

      The Public Option -- had it been properly sold -- would have been popular.

      "Medicare for everyone who wants to buy into it."

      Game over.

      The only way to attack that is to either attack the entire premnise of medicare, or claim it's "too expensive." Only problem is -- it would actually score better than Blue Dog Dipshit plans on defecit reduction.

      •  Not a chance. (2+ / 0-)
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        DoctorWho, No one gets out alive

        The South isn't voting for public options or single payer systems.

        It just isn't happening. Partly for fiscal reasons, but also for racism and hatreds.

        Health care is seen as helping "them" and we all know who "they" are.

        "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

        by Common Cents on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 02:12:42 PM PDT

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        •  excuses, excuses (0+ / 0-)

          The South isn't voting for public options or single payer systems.

          Only if you're too lazy to put in the work.  The health insurance industry is a pariah industry - losing to them is like losing a game of chess to a chicken.

          ThAnswr "If the administration can't fight for it's friends, don't expect us to fight their enemies."

          by Uberbah on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 02:51:04 PM PDT

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          •  Common Cents' point (0+ / 0-)

            about Southern (and Sagebrush) Democrats is absolutely true.  I greet this whole spectacle with ambivalence.  I love seeing an asshole like "Randy Paul" get the shit kicked out of him on teevee.  But I've also seen (hell, I've aided and abetted) plenty of great candidates who became worthless once they got in the Senate.  They get in their and lose all fire in the belly.  

            Jon Tester, who recently voted to sustain a Republican filibuster against an anti--offshoring bill, is a perfect example.  I contributed to his 2006 campaign — what a fucking mistake.

        •  Well, the "South" supports Medicare, don't they? (0+ / 0-)

          That's what I was proposing -- Medicare for anyone who wanted to buy into it. And if the argument is that a bunch of racist rednecks oppose a public health insurance program that anyone -- including racist rednecks -- can buy into because black people might too -- then that's not an argument against a public option.

          It's an argument in favor of kicking those stupid fucking assholes out of the United States.

    •  Well, we could have a Jack Conway (5+ / 0-)

      who'll vote with the Democrats 50% (or more) of the time, or you can have a Rand Paul who'll vote with the Democrats 0% of the time, and will do his damnedest to roll back any small bit of progress we've made over the past decades. And not only that, he will provide a vote for Senate Majority Leader Jim DeMint, meaning you can kiss any chance at even remotely progressive legislation bye-bye.

      We're not going to turn this country into a progressive Utopia overnight; it's going to take a lot of hard work and education, and there are certain corners of this country that will be at most a pale purple rather than deep blue. Getting this country in the right direction is a marathon, not a sprint. And when the choice is the middle and the edge of the right-wing cliff the current GOP would have us teetering upon, the middle starts to look pretty damn good as a starting point.

      "When it gets harder to love, love harder" -- Van Jones, NN10, 7/23/10

      by Cali Scribe on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 02:26:06 PM PDT

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      •  I agree 100%! but this site hasn't for 2 years. (0+ / 0-)

        We just spent tons of time purging the likes of Blanche Lincoln only to support...different Blue Dogs.

        Whenever people like me pointed out that we needed to take what we could get and understand political realities, but this site denied that logic...until now.

        "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."-Jessica Rabbbit

        by Common Cents on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 02:32:39 PM PDT

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        •  My God you are making no sense. (1+ / 0-)
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          Blanche Lincoln is getting the shit kicked out of her right now because she spent the past few years alienating her base and pissing all over them.

          Why are Democrats required to piss on their base and Republicans allowed to kiss their base's asses?

          Anyone who suggests that Bill halter would be doing any worse than Blanche right now is a moron.

      •  If the 50% of the time that they vote against (1+ / 0-)
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        Democratic Party positions also coincides with issues that just happen to be at the core of the Democratic agenda (say, health care or worker's rights), they do the Democratic Party more harm than good, because they're with us when we least need 'em and agin' us when we need 'em most.

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