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  •  Word (20+ / 0-)

    Neither the police nor teachers have any choice in the people they have to deal with. They just have to do the best with the ones they get. It's bog-stupid to compare them with fields where the input is more predictable and consistent.

    •  I taught special ed (14+ / 0-)

      Looking at the test score results for my class, I was a terrible teacher and should have been fired.  None of my kids were ever at grade level.  

      There is so much more to school testing numbers than teacher performance.
      Is are the socioeconomic neighborhood of your school?  My experience in many different schools leads me to conclude with confidence that being in a rich school district is the best way to predict high test scores.

      If cats could blog, they wouldn't.

      by crystal eyes on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 01:32:16 PM PDT

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      •  Questions.. (1+ / 0-)
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        Looking at the test score results for my class, I was a terrible teacher and should have been fired.  None of my kids were ever at grade level.  

        Are special ed kids expected to perform at the same level as all other classes? Are sp test scores lumped in with the scores of other classes to determine a school's ratings? What would you recommend, if anything, to evaluate progress of sp kids/classes?

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        by SoCalSal on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 02:31:44 PM PDT

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        •  Kiddos in special Ed have learning, physical (5+ / 0-)

          and emotional challenges that affect their learning.  A child's progress is judged individually through his or her IEP (Individual ED Plan) The child moves on as he or she masters a certain level which may not necessarily be at grade.

          But yes, these Kiddos are expected to take Standardized testing even if teachers know they will fail or do poorly and their scores are lumped together with everyone else. Non English speakers are also expected to test regardless of their levels of English ability.

          That's the way it is in AZ.

          •  That's the way it is with NCLB. (3+ / 0-)
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            The school is allowed to exempt a tiny fraction of its students from the testing requirements. I believe most school administrators generally try to save those exemptions for the MID or MOID children in the self-contained classes.  

            Here in GA schools rarely apply those exemptions to non-critical testing grades.  Our kids have to pass our CRCT test in 3rd, 5th, and 8th grades to be promoted.  However, all the other grades from 1st - 7th are still required to take it for AYP purposes.

            High school is a whole 'nother question.

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            by Heiuan on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:42:53 PM PDT

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          •  I don't understand the rationale (1+ / 0-)
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            behind inclusion of special ed kids' scores. I am aware that test scores of nonEnglish speakers are included. Some of my grandkids attend a school that has a number of nonEnglish speakers, and that does affect the overall rating of the school. But it's a great school with great teachers. Overall, I think everyone benefits with the school's diversity.

            Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

            by SoCalSal on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 03:54:41 PM PDT

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            •  All children in AZ have to be tested and as far (2+ / 0-)
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              as I know, their scores are included.  This is why some schools here are "under performing" if they have a high number of non English  speakers or children with special needs.  Some schools here will do their best to "out source" kiddos like this to keep their scores up.

              I know, that sucks but this is one reason why I despise Standardized tests as a measure of children's actual knowledge, teacher performance and a school's success.

              Our educational system is broken in so many ways. There is no quick fix and trying to blame teachers or parents is not the answer.

            •  Don't forget that many of the people (1+ / 0-)
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              who write these requirements, in certain states, oppose public education as a matter of principle.

              Including scores of students who can't possibly meet grade level is one way to drag down the average and get ammunition against public schools.

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              by Fonsia on Tue Oct 19, 2010 at 06:59:08 PM PDT

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              •  Bingo! That happened here and and the (0+ / 0-)

                people who pushed for the AIMS test had financial connections to the company marketing the tests.  It is a totally rotten basket of eggs, all about the $$$. Standardized testing is a big business all over the US, both for the test makers and for the companies who provide the scoring.  Check it out sometime.

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