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  •  it's not hard at all.... (5+ / 0-)

    .... keep the gun on your person or within arms reach.  It's under your control and poses no danger to anyone else in your home.

    When you go to sleep you lock your bedroom door and sleep with the door to the gun safe open.  If you have to leave your bedroom you take the gun with you and/or close the safe.

    The gun is always accessible but is out of reach of the little ones at all times.

    There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

    by Crookshanks on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 09:15:09 AM PDT

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    •  To people like me, this demonstrates... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...how bizarre gun ownership is.  You have laid out the only responsible way to address the two issues I've mentioned, and look at what it does to your home!  You sleep with the door locked and the gun safe open, as if under siege.  One of the fixtures of non-gun-owning parenting, your kids coming into your room because of monsters or thunder or today's trip to Disney World, is off the table.  Every time you get up to leave the bedroom you're making what seems like a pretty consequential choice (close the safe, take the gun), assuming you're disciplined enough to do that all the time.  Can it work?  Yes, I'll take your word for it.  Is having a gun in the home that important?  In the end I can't fight "well, it is to me!," but it also is Exhibit A for why many people who don't own guns see gun owners as more exotic than Martians or penguins.

      The most impressive thing about man [...] is the fact that he has invented the concept of that which does not exist--Glenn Gould

      by Rich in PA on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 09:38:49 AM PDT

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      •  Liberty is a wonderfully (7+ / 0-)

        beautiful, exotic, alluring, sexy, vibrant and dangerous thing isn't it?  I guess that's why I love it so much and want more not less.

        Don't believe what the politicians do, don't believe what they say, all they want to do is fuck you and get fat on their pay.

        by oldpunk on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 09:48:30 AM PDT

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      •  I fixed that issue. (4+ / 0-)
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        It's called a vasectomy.

        No kids to worry about.

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        by KVoimakas on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 09:51:40 AM PDT

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      •  another simple method that many with children (7+ / 0-)

        choose is a GunVault extremely easy to operate yet impossible for others to get into with any ease.

        Completely safe for the kiddies and they claim that with a little practice, you can retrieve your sidearm in about 3 seconds.....

        I've seen people with large houses have a couple three strategically placed and bolted down so in the worst case scenario of a "hot" burglary or home invasion, you have a weapon handy in seconds without endangering the kiddies or having to carry constantly.....However imo, there is no substitute for early safety training....Mine were started by 5 or so and shooting by 8 at the latest....their own gun around ten....under my control of course.....However they weren't allowed toy guns as guns aren't toys...The only exception was Super Soakers as they are very obviously not a real gun.......

        Myself, kids are grown so mine are in a pretty but cheap glass front case except when I head to town then they hit the safe.....

        "Guess who's laughing while the world explodes, When we're all crybabies Who fight best among ourselves" John Joseph Lydon

        by buddabelly on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 09:55:07 AM PDT

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      •  why is it "off the table"? (4+ / 0-)
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        It's simple enough to open the door when they knock.  Besides, you might not even have to go through all that if your kids are properly trained and educated.  I outlined a worst-case scenario in my previous post.

        Is having a gun in the home that important?  In the end I can't fight "well, it is to me!," but it also is Exhibit A for why many people who don't own guns see gun owners as more exotic than Martians or penguins.

        So what's the point besides people apply their own worldview to those around them and draw conclusions based on that worldview?

        There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

        by Crookshanks on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 10:22:54 AM PDT

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      •  It'snot exotic... (6+ / 0-)

        to want my wife to feel safe when I travel.

        Gunvault, as mentioned below, mounted high up and bolted in as a great way to accomplish this without much fuss and with excellent safety.

        What I think you're saying is this: "As someone who doesn't get the whole quick access to a firearm thing, you folks seem a little obsessed with personal protection. At some level, it makes me feel unsafe, or at least makes me worried for the safety of your spouse, children, friends, etc."

        I'll acknowledge that feeling, but the bottom line is that different people have different needs out of personal security. My actions aren't impinging on your personal freedom, IMO.

        For me, firearms are one of my hobbies, and I teach others firearms safety (required for our permits here.) I feel sufficiently safe in my storage and handling of firearms to keep one ready.

        Faced with a decision? Ask yourself, WWWDD?

        by wackydoug on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 10:32:41 AM PDT

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