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  •  Wasn't it pointed out those are our guns? (1+ / 0-)
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    KVoimakas

    I mean, wasn't it pointed out that this country was leasing them to south korea? So that ultimately, we are the owners already, and south korea was looking to sell our own guns back to us?

    I did read something about this, and I'm sorta glad that such a sale would be stopped. I'm not at all interested in spending money for something that I already paid to manufacture.

    Plus, I recall someone saying that the 'danger' mentioned wasn't so much a danger of folks shooting each other but was relating to the condition of those things. They weren't expected to be in at all decent condition, and I suppose a gun in poor mechanical condition would be a danger to try and fire. I'm also not at all interested in having a ka-BOOM.

    It Takes A Village To Keep The Peace...(RKBA).......(-7.12, -5.54)

    by JayFromPA on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 03:48:35 PM PDT

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    •  and if people ARE interested in buying these (0+ / 0-)

      rifles why shouldn't they have that option?

      Your paragraph about the "danger" is just unfounded fear-mongering.  CMP sells surplus military rifles without any issues.  No reason to assume it would be any different from these weapons.

      There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

      by Crookshanks on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 08:36:28 PM PDT

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      •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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        Your apparent certainty and accusation of fear mongering got me motivated to check for myself more closely.

        Actually reading over the cmp page informs me they will sell plenty of rifles that are deteriorated and pitted to the point of unable to be used.

        The m1917 page mentions that some guns will have bad barrels. Which ones? Who knows, who cares, they're selling guns!

        The .22 surplus page says the kimber and mossberg lines are to be watched for heavy rust. The mossberg also mentions damaged chambers and bulging bad barrels. Heavy rust on a gun is bad, right? Last I thought, any sort of bulge on a barrel is something damn near - but not quite - a catastrophic explosion. So let's sell that barrel anyway!

        The m1903 page mentions that you might buy a rifle from CMP that may well blow up in your face due to brittleness. Way to go, it's all unfounded fear mongering until someone loses their eyes, wahoo!

        Seriously... what the hell? Blow up in my damn face?!?!

        It would seem that the CMP page itself declares that it does NOT sell milsurp "without any issues". It declares blowing up in your face right there, I call that a valid concern - not at all "unfounded fear-mongering".

        And you still didn't address the issue of the lease program. I'll say that while those guns remain in korean hands, we are getting paid for their use and the koreans are likely handling the maintenance. Once the lease ends, we take them back in whatever condition they are in and then what... CMP sells them in 'as is' condition? Are you really all that eager to shell out good cash for a grab bag of mixed manufacturer parts entirely dependant on the maintenance schedules and discipline of a foreign military? Are you jumping at the chance to discover you've gotten a damaged chamber, heavily rusted and/or pitted barrel, chunk of rust for a receiver, termites in the wood, or any number of other things that render this korean-held weapon basically useless?

        I prefaced my comment with a question, and you had no reason to paint me as fear-mongering. And as to assuming anything about rifles with issues, I suppose you are now aware that CMP is not a beacon of quality milsurp guns for cheap prices.

        It Takes A Village To Keep The Peace...(RKBA).......(-7.12, -5.54)

        by JayFromPA on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 10:28:12 PM PDT

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        •  so what? (0+ / 0-)

          Actually reading over the cmp page informs me they will sell plenty of rifles that are deteriorated and pitted to the point of unable to be used.

          They disclose that fact up front.  If you buy one anyway you have no grounds to complain.  If you buy one and try to fire it without having it checked out by a competent gunsmith then you shouldn't be surprised if bad things happen.

          I suppose you are now aware that CMP is not a beacon of quality milsurp guns for cheap prices.

          I never said it was a beacon of "quality" for cheap prices.  I said they have been selling these weapons without issue for a long time now.  If you are aware of any issues that have popped up why don't you share them with us?

          Once the lease ends, we take them back in whatever condition they are in and then what... CMP sells them in 'as is' condition?

          They weren't going to the CMP, but yes, presumably whomever sold them would sell them in an "as is" condition.

          Are you jumping at the chance to discover you've gotten a damaged chamber, heavily rusted and/or pitted barrel, chunk of rust for a receiver, termites in the wood, or any number of other things that render this korean-held weapon basically useless?

          Maybe I want to buy a bunch of them and assemble a working gun from the parts.  Maybe I just want one to hang on the wall and never intend to fire it.  Maybe I want one for parts for another working gun.

          Why shouldn't I have the chance to buy one of these weapons?  Answer me that question.  You've told me why YOU wouldn't buy one.  Now tell me why the Obama Administration should make that decision for me?

          There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

          by Crookshanks on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 08:07:59 PM PDT

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