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  •  I disagree -- it's clear that the author is (21+ / 0-)

    saying that Aiona has been an enthusiastic member and supporter of this group, despite what he says now.  The references to burning of idolatrous items, etc., is contained in the AP story and the clips of speakers at meeting of this group.

    If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

    by Tamar on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:06:15 AM PDT

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    •  So what? (2+ / 0-)
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      If a person changes their religious practices and they want to burn the artifacts of their previous practice so what?

      If an person grew up Christian and decides he's an atheist and wants to burn his personal copy of the Bible, then that's up to him.

      If a person converts to Christianity and wants to burn their book of Mormon or their witchcraft paraphernalia at their church or in their home then So What?  

      It belongs to them.  They can do with it as they choose.  

      •  Freedom of religion lets you burn your stuff (19+ / 0-)

        I don't want somebody else coming into my home and burning my stuff which is what I think I heard them saying they were gonna do.

        The five freedoms include freedom of assembly as well as religion so its fine for Aiona to associate with them if he wants to. If that costs him a few votes he still has the right to do it.

        In America if you want to dabble in witchcraft, that's fine, you can. If you want to believe in magic underwear or a flying spaghetti monster as many of us here do, that's ok you can.

        If you want to turn your religious beliefs into the law of the land and convert everyone else that is just not gonna fly.

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 11:01:57 AM PDT

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        •  That's the problem I have with this diary. (0+ / 0-)

          from the video right after the quote the diarist used:

          "If you have any witchcraft items in your home, you bring them Sunday, we're gonna burn them."

          I see a highly edited video clip and an even more edited quotation taken out of context meant to inflame sensibilities.  

      •  I have no problem w/ people burning (9+ / 0-)

        their own things -- and the video showed just that.  I didn't see anywhere that the diarist claimed otherwise.
        But the people on display were pretty nutty and weird, with extreme religious beliefs, and Aiona is clearly a supporter (though he claims not to be a member now, as far as I can tell, he hasn't disavowed them).  
        I wouldn't want to vote for someone who actually believes in the things expressed by the people on the video.  
        They have an absolute right to believe in those things and to express those beliefs.  
        And I have an absolute right to refuse to vote for people associated with them.

        If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

        by Tamar on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 11:23:57 AM PDT

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        •  From the paragraph in question: (0+ / 0-)

          "If you have any idols in your home, we're gonna burn 'em! If you have any witchcraft items in your home, we're gonna burn 'em!"  - It's like something out of the Spanish Inquisition or from the depths of the European Medieval period, mysteriously transported to sunny Hawaii of 2010, at the height of a hotly fought campaign for governor no less.

          Invoking the Spanish Inquisition and the European Medieval period and then selectively editing the quote definitely does invoke the image of people entering peoples houses by force and destroying religious items without their consent.  Or worse. And judging by the comments left on this thread, that is exactly the impression many people seem to have gotten.

          •  You're being obtuse. (0+ / 0-)

            Bruce has exhaustively catalogued the excesses of the religious right, including their efforts to ban art and books they don't approve of. If you connect the dots to what these same people are doing in other countries, it's not farfetched at all.

            In short, you're coming very close to concern trolling.

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            by homogenius on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 03:23:36 PM PDT

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        •  In fact a couple comments above we have: (0+ / 0-)

          Freedom of religion lets you burn your stuff (9+ / 0-)

          I don't want somebody else coming into my home and burning my stuff which is what I think I heard them saying they were gonna do.

          And I see that was a comment that you yourself recommended.

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