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  •  this is patently false... (2+ / 0-)
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    Jon Says, cap76

    ...Stupidity is neither a virtue nor is this exclusively their America. Oh and btw, using the word "Ameri kkk a" is a broad ad hominem, bigoted brush to paint an entire political wing with, don't you think? Not to mention deliberately inflammatory and divisive. Or was it "accidentally on purpose"? Bigotry and hatred is beneath all of us. Has it really come to this point in the debate? If so, I want no parts of any other debate if I feel that the only way to win the debate is to attack somebody personally, instead of their policies and talking points. Who knows the heart of anyone else? Do you? You couldn't prove it by me! It's really quite presumptuous to shoot from the hip or pre-judge(condemn) a whole group based on a false factual fallacy.

    "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 09:40:18 AM PDT

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    •  twit from tundras, huckster and other rethugs (2+ / 0-)
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      The Nose, cybersaur

      always dwell in personal attacks. And they are in public eye demanding public office. So they can take 'personal attacks' despite your concerns.

      Get in Gear. 2010 or Bust.
      Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.

      by amk for obama on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:06:24 AM PDT

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      •  "despite your concerns"... (0+ / 0-)

        ...then you'll forgive me, since my concerns are irrelevent, if I decide not to join all of you in your wallowing in the mire of mudslinging personal attacks against our opponents. Where does it stop? After an innocent life who nobody knew is taken by somebody they didn't know, for the simple fact that a false accusation stuck in somebody's mind, just long enough for that seed of hate to grow from a mere thought to a heinous deed.  

        They say politics is a blood sport. The problem with that is once the games begin, the "concerned" few may be so repulsed by the sight of the gratuitous bloodletting, they may decide they've seen enough and decide out of "concern"(of course that ugly troll-accusatory word rears its ugly head again)not to "watch the game"(participate)at all anymore.

        That's sad. And tragic. And antithetical to our purpose here, if that purpose is to sell our ideas as being better. But we fail miserably when nobody can tell the difference between our methods and those of our opponents.

        Two wrongs don't make a right anymore than lowering ourselves to their level ensures our victory over their ideas. And that's what this debate should be about, ideas, not factual fallacies based on hate-baiting. In the end, blind hatred hurts the hater more than it does the objects of that blind hatred and bigotry. They don't call it a circular firing squad for nothing!

        "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:43:49 AM PDT

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    •  I respectfully disagree (7+ / 0-)

      Based on the demeanor of many conservative public figures, they place high value on ignorance.  Global warming denial, birtherism, not knowing or understanding the text of the 1st Amendment.

      It is either willful ignorance or rank hypocrisy.  And, frankly, I can't decide which would be worse.  

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      by hillgiant on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:35:59 AM PDT

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      •  I can't control anyone's thoughts or speech... (0+ / 0-)

        ...I can't judge the future but by the past. Or can I speak for anyone else but myself, because I can neither read minds, nor am I prescient, nor am I able to discern matters of the heart. That is way over my paygrade. I can only govern my own words tempered in the fires of discretion and good old common horse sense. "Congress shall may no law"...the Founders knew exactly what they were doing. It was no accident that they chose free speech, freedom of religion, and a free press as the 1st amendment in the Bill of Rights. They knew that an unbridled hate-filled tongue was just as damaging, just as dangerous to our liberties as a word never spoken is in and of itself no threat to anyone until it becomes censored or illegal. Then, once it becomes illegal to utter, it's invaluable and priceless when spoken by those it made martyrs. So it's better to have the right to say them and speak them not, than it is to censor them and elevate them to notoriety by their scarcity. "Discretion is the better part of valor".

        Nobody with common sense-or decency yells "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre. The thought police among us haven't figured out how to keep anyone from thinking that thought-yet. Give anyone enough rope, however, and as the saying goes, sooner rather than later, "they'll find a way to hang themselves"!Anytime one ventures into the deep waters of hate-speech, one must be careful they don't drown the ones they hated and themselves right along with them. One man's free speech is another's tool to impose tyranny by silencing the opposition, first by decree, then by threatening force, then finally by the use of deadly, brute force.

        Nobody ever won any debate of ideas with the sword, but they surely found out later to their own early demise, that the pen is mightier than any sword. And no legislative body that ever passed any law, can legislate away anyone's power over their own minds, wills, and thoughts. These horses, (our tongues) are just as impossible to tame, as our thoughts are to read. And if our tongues offend they can be cut out. But if our thoughts offend, a man's brains can be blown out, but what can't be enforced can't be outlawed. And nobody knows what's truly in another's heart of hearts. no, it is much better to keep one's words soft; one never knows when they may have to eat them!

        "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 12:09:43 PM PDT

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