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    I have standards and I don't suffer nonsense well.  Someone has to keep folks honest.

    I wish more people were thoughtful and honest but being outraged is too much fun I suppose

    by Guinho on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 10:22:15 PM PDT

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    •  yep (6+ / 0-)

      you are full of yourself. Best proof that someone is barely hanging onto reality is when they profess to be one of the few that really know it as in "We're practically extinct.." in your quote.

      "The role of the major media under our system is to promote the corporate agenda against all others. " ~ Gooserock @ KOS

      by basquebob on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 10:51:44 PM PDT

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      •  well (0+ / 0-)

        when the whole of dailykos is going nuts over something that Williams didn't actually say, you have to wonder.

        I wish more people were thoughtful and honest but being outraged is too much fun I suppose

        by Guinho on Sat Oct 23, 2010 at 03:21:38 PM PDT

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    •  Big Ups, Guinho! Wish ya stayed true to your TR! (3+ / 0-)
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      As I said a few nights ago when this first broke, I am no NPR fan.  It's a boring, out of touch, pretentious, dweeby collection of folksy small-town USA drivel that has never shown even the slightest of backbone in standing up for progressives. The simple fact that they would ban reporters from joining the Sanity Rally but never issued any bans on joining up with the teabaggers, or even going on Faux News to begin with, is another laughable example of NPR's lack of street-cred.  

      I'm also no Juan Williams fan.  For the most part he comes off as a dimwitted moderate that like NPR itself, often makes true progressives look weak.  This is especially true when taking an Alan Colmes-like pattsy role in debating hate-mongers like O'really.

      The thing is, is that Williams was "trying" to defend the progressive side.  While O'realy was castigating all Arab Muslims and claiming that "Political Correctness" was keeping the rest of "us" from also castigating all Arab Muslims, Williams was trying to talk O'Really down from his salivating, xenophobic raves.      

      Yes, Williams misspoke the way he often does.  Yes, he admitted that seeing people in traditional Arab garb on planes makes him nervous.  But so what???  Everyone has irrational fears from time-to-time.  Admitting them is the first step in getting over those fears.    

      No, I do not like NPR or Juan Williams.  Secretly (well, not so secretly now) I'm glad that they both come off looking small through all of this.  But let's not pretend that Williams was ever at any point saying anything about acting on fears.  In fact, NOT acting on fear, seeing himself through whatever fears (irrational or even rational) he may have shows that Juan Williams is anything but an actual bigot.

      Finally, as much as I do not like NPR or Williams, I do loves me some D-Kos.  I'm also a fan of Michael Moore, Keith Olberman, and most of all, a HUGE Rachel Maddow fan as well.  Unfortunately, they're ALL wrong.  Very wrong.  In holier than thou fashion, they're all lining up to take shots at words taken out of context.  Then, like in the recently rec'd "I'm scared of coloreds" snark diary seen here, they use their own race cards to throw out utter garbage similar to the rubbish below:

      P.P.S. Here's something else that I'd sincerely love to talk about with you: what do you think when you see rich middle-aged white men talking on TV about how they get nervous around African Americans on the street? And then they explain that we can't let political correctness stop us from talking about black-on-white crime?

      Does it drive you crazy that they say this without even being conscious of the history of far greater violence by white people toward blacks? And do you maybe understand now how those middle-aged white guys get it so wrong?

      Jonathan Capehart, a fairly young, liberal, gay, black man and NOT some middle aged white guy was on TV defending Juan Williams.  He was on TV talking about his own fears when walking down the street alone.  Does Capehart get a pass (after all, he's not a middle aged white guy) or is he a bigot too???

      Unfortunately, as stated, Michael Moore isn't the only one to compare Juan Williams' statements with those made against blacks.  But what if Juan Williams instead had said that sometimes he gets nervous and fears white police officers?  What if he said that he had previously been traumatized by white cops and to this day he still sometimes gets nervous when around them.  Would he still be a bigot?  Would NPR still fire him and then shamefully also joke about Williams having to talk to a psychiatrist?  Would so many on the left join NPR in piling on?

      Or would the D-Kos and the greater progressive community instead feel bad for him?  Would they feel bad for what had happened while also hoping that one day he could come to trust the overwhelming and vast majority of honorable white police officers.

      More rubbish below:

      UPDATE: Juan, you probably remember in 1986 when the Washington Post Magazine ran a Richard Cohen column defending jewelry store owners who wouldn't buzz in young black men. It caused such a big controversy that the New Republic ran a bunch of responses to it, including one by you. You might find it interesting to go back and read what you wrote then -- for instance, "Racism is a lazy man's substitute for using good judgment ... Common sense becomes racism when skin color becomes a formula for figuring out who is a danger to me."

      The CLEAR difference between what Juan Williams said and what the jewelers did is that Juan never wanted any Arab Muslims banned from planes.  Pretty easy to understand, unless whipped into a frenzy of Political Correctness.  Sad that this whole hysteria has not only taken O'really off the hook for his truly bigoted comments but it has also left "Papa Bear" (as always, the real villain here) with even more "liberal media" non-stories to rant about in the days before November 2nd.  Nice work, guys!  Almost as nice as the 32 (and counting?) recs for the dude who earlier on this thread talked about the "demonizing" of attempted mass murderer, Faisal Shahzad. Nothing like a good pre-election Shahzad defense to keep the House.  Bravo Mr. Moore, Mr. Olberman, Ms. Maddow, and all the other ladies and gents of D-Kos rec'ing this crap.  Bravo, indeed!

      •  Moore's Cohen column analogy was good (1+ / 0-)
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        How is this:

        "Racism is a lazy man's substitute for using good judgment ... Common sense becomes racism when skin color becomes a formula for figuring out who is a danger to me."

        not applicable to Williams' remarks about Muslims?  This excerpt has nothing to do with actions resulting from the view, just with the view itself - the snap judgement.

      •  I think it's where you put the emphasis (3+ / 0-)
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        I frankly am with you in terms of distaste for Williams and NPR in general. But the bulk of Moore's criticism isn't at what Williams said--you'll recall he actually doesn't think it's that big a deal--neither do I--it's WHAT WILLIAMS AND ALL THE CHATTERING CLASS LEAVE OUT--NAMELY THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE 'TERRORISTS' ARE DRIVEN BY OUR OCCUPATION.

        Let's repeat that for emphasis because it seems to get lost in the shuffle here:

        The action of folks like Shahzad our driven by our occupation of first Iraq and now Afghanistan

        Jerks like Williams talk about their simpering fear of Arabs without mentioning once WHY maybe there is an honest political context for that fear. It's called invading a person's country and murdering
        them.

        So Moore's criticism isn't some wimpy sup to the PC crowd, it's a fucking flagellation at the  massive hypocrisy in our media and elites that will wimper about the symptoms of their fucking 8 years of fucking war against two Islamic countries without once addressing the fact that our non trivial invasions and occupations have murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who are of the Islamic faith, and yeah, that's WHY they are pissed off.

        Our fucked up wars in short are breeding the very terrorism we seek to 'defeat' with--wait for it-- our fucked up war. Now you can make an argument about it's efficacy or how we got there or whatever, but Williams and the chattering class want to make this about some nebulous 'fear' which in point of fact should not nebulous at all. There are folks that are pissed off enough to kill us because we have spent a good part of the last decade invading their lands, occupying their lands and murdering their families.

        But no one really want to talk about that, do they?

        And it's a good thing that Guinho took off his ill considered TR. It was a fucked up thing to do and his defense of it was illegally shallow.

        90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

        by DelicateMonster on Sat Oct 23, 2010 at 07:59:31 AM PDT

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    •  "Standards"? (1+ / 0-)
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      Yeah...like Fox has "standards" for news reporting.

      "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

      by blue in NC on Sat Oct 23, 2010 at 05:53:15 AM PDT

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      •  not the point (0+ / 0-)

        The question is whether one can justifiably paint williams as a bigot for saying that he has gut reactions to muslim garb, but that those reactions are "crazy" and no more justified than being afraid of someone wearing a cross because of Timothy McVeigh or Fred Phelps.

        I do not think that's justifiable.  Fox's standards or otherwise have no bearing whatsoever on that.  That you raise them simply makes me think that you aren't mad at Williamms for anything he said, only for the fact that he appeared on Fox which violates your "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality.

        This is what I infer.

        I wish more people were thoughtful and honest but being outraged is too much fun I suppose

        by Guinho on Sat Oct 23, 2010 at 03:24:56 PM PDT

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    •  And you spend time (0+ / 0-)

      in front of the mirror with a straight face?

      How?

      90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

      by DelicateMonster on Sat Oct 23, 2010 at 07:41:06 AM PDT

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      •  I am sorry (0+ / 0-)

        that I do not get in line with your dogmatic doctrine.

        I wish more people were thoughtful and honest but being outraged is too much fun I suppose

        by Guinho on Sat Oct 23, 2010 at 03:22:12 PM PDT

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