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  •  What Muslim lands did we occupy before 9-11 (0+ / 0-)

    It's not a question to you. It's a question to Mr Moore and this community.
    I do not agree with Juan Williams. His comment was indeed offensive. I have never liked Juan Williams. We have real threat from e-Islam meaning extrem Islam. Shazad is one of those. He is no freedom fighter.

    •  Wow, good point! (0+ / 0-)

      What Muslim lands did we occupy before 9-11

      We've never done that, have we?  Or our proxies?

      I think maybe, just maybe, you've stumped the almost-unstumpable Mr. Moore . . .

    •  US policies killed many Muslims (3+ / 0-)
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      prior to 911.  The sanctions on Iraq killed hundreds of thousands, for example.

      Of course there is the ongoing blind American support of Israel for its occupation and theft of Palestinian land.

      •  I agree but we were not occupiers (0+ / 0-)

        We did lot of good also. We gave aid to Palestine and Egypt. I do not condone or agree with the knee-jerk reaction this nation took after 9-11. But justifying 9-11 by any logic is pointless. The Muslims were happy to be our proxies against Russians in Afghanistan. We did not force them to fight. We just gave them weapons and unfortunately still do to fight us. We pay for safety of NATO supply convoys. So have balanced view it's not all black and white. There is whole lot of gray. We as humanity need to find a way to resolve our differences than use warfare. Until then we cannot quiet call us intelligent species. Peace.  

        •  True, it's not all black and white (1+ / 0-)
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          I wish I could believe that most in this country saw it that way. But I'm not sure they do. Certainly our government acts as though it's black and white. As far as I can see, Obama hasn't expressed the least bit of moral regret about the war in Iraq - just that it was the wrong tactic.

          Good post, though.

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      What Muslim lands did we occupy before 9-11

      I didn't see Shahzid imply that we occupied any lands before 9-11. He said:

      I'm going to plead guilty 100 times over, because until the hour the U.S. pulls its forces from Iraq and Afghanistan, and stops the drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen and in Pakistan, and stops the occupation of Muslim lands, and stops killing the Muslims

      He does not make any reference to occupations before 9-11 (unless you include comparing himself to Saladin who led the Muslim army during the Crusades).

      Also from what I know of the case it is fairly clear that he was only radicalized after 9-11. During the late 90's he attended college in Washington DC and was described by one classmate as "nonpolitical". He was went to work in the financial industry in the early 2000's.

      Seems he began to get radicalised in 2006 when friends said his emails began taking on political overtones.

      Non Violence is fine... so long as it works. - Malcolm X

      by Dr Marcos on Sat Oct 23, 2010 at 08:23:52 AM PDT

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    •  If if you've read up on any of this... (2+ / 0-)
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      you would know it isn't just about occupation, it's also about having our military in the middle east and our support of oppressive regimes in the region, e.g. - Saudi Arabia.

      After the first gulf war our military has been operating out of many middle eastern countries. Now, I wouldn't call that an occupation, but some in the middle east obviously see it differently.

      At the end of the day, I think it's personally about getting U.S. influence out of the region, at least from their perspective. I know I personally don't like foreign governments meddling in our affairs, yet they are, so the fact that others see it the same way shouldn't be surprising. It's the tactics about how we go about dealing with these situations, and our respective governments, that make the difference.

      The sleep of reason produces monsters.

      by Alumbrados on Sat Oct 23, 2010 at 09:16:29 AM PDT

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