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  •  Please don't buy into the sex angle so much (4.00)
    That's the way that the spin is going to go, so let's not accommodate the frame of the issue that's going to be spun.  It's certainly not the most important issue. How does an unqualified tool get an entree into the White House Press Corps? Who authorized his credentials day after day and who helped him position himself as a "bureau chief"?  Who else has been doing the same thing and through what other avenues?  This has to be considered a work in progress, so let's stop indulging in butt shots of this fool. Let's find out exactly who signed his paycheck, and who signed his boss's paycheck and where that money came from if we can.
    •  Plame angle (4.00)
      is the best.  It involves potentially illegal conduct and national security.
      •  I agree it's critically important (4.00)
        SusanG's stalwart research and the contributions of her volunteer coordinators will make the difference as this continues to progress. Here's hoping that the strength of the questions raised will mean that new subpoenas will be flying towards these buffoons.
      •  Just had a total brain-fart over this (4.00)
        What do the following have in common: Abu G and "female mud wrestling", and Gannon's "Military Men 2 Men" Website?

        Both use sex to cover up a potential scandal, and discredit the actual individuals who are carrying out the administration's policies.  They also divert the public and "reframe" the issue away from what is really going on - i.e., in Abu G torture and in Gannongate propaganda - and have them focus on...SEX, because given the choice folks will talk about sex all the time.  The media will follow the sex story because it's, well, sexier.  And, the sex thing actually serves to distance the individuals from the administration in your average person's mind because Bush's rhetoric is so religious right that subconsciously his base and moderates will divorce him from any involvement with these "sexual deviants".

        OMG - I just got it.  Wow.  The sex thing is a total smoke screen.  Find the link between Gannon and the administration and that's the story.

        "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by grannyhelen on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:12:49 PM PST

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        •  Gee, I'm getting way too many Nixon flashbacks... (4.00)
          ...in this administration.

          Bob Woodward: The story is dry. All we've got are pieces. We can't seem to figure out what the puzzle is supposed to look like. John Mitchell resigns as the head of CREEP, and says that he wants to spend more time with his family. I mean, it sounds like bullshit, we don't exactly believe that...
          Deep Throat: No, heh, but it's touching. Forget the myths the media's created about the White House. The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.
          Bob Woodward: Hunt's come in from the cold. Supposedly he's got a laywer with $25,000 in a brown paper bag.
          Deep Throat: Follow the money.
          Bob Woodward: What do you mean? Where?
          Deep Throat: Oh, I can't tell you that.
          Bob Woodward: But you could tell me that.
          Deep Throat: No, I have to do this my way. You tell me what you know, and I'll confirm. I'll keep you in the right direction if I can, but that's all. Just... follow the money.

        •  I'll be damned Granny (none)
          I think you may be on to something here.
      •  Yep........ (none)
        Absolutely. This is what will eventually make this story grow legs. Let's just hope that somewhere out there, there is a mainstream media outlet willing to go the extra mile to make sure these legs walk.......all the way into a huge investigation that smears chimpy's image once and for all.
        Something needs to smear chimpy's holier-than-thou image......God knows being a stupid alcoholic cocaine addict didn't smear him.....maybe this will. Eventually

        "Suppression of a political opinion leads to it's violent expression".

        by JenD on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:22:31 PM PST

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    •  sex angle (none)
      just coming up now? after what? disabuse me please!
    •  Excuse me? (none)
      While the sex angle is not the central issue here, it still is an issue.  This dude is in the WH asking the Commander-in-Chief questions during the day, and possibly soliciting sex under the guise of the military by night?

      Unless Georgie is rolling out a whole new "don't ask don't tell" policy, it's relevant.

      •  Relevant, NOT central (none)
        We're nowhere near done with this yet. He's one tool, but their spin on this means that there are more important links out there that need to be protected by exposure.
        •  That's "from exposure" (none)
          Now I'm doing it. I don't want to see any more of this guy's butt. Much rather see the corporate statements from Talon and its parent.
        •  I'm starting to believe (none)
          That Texas has WMD. All the crazy right wing shit always leads back to Texas. We gotta drain that swamp!
          •  debraz, you're right about Texas... (none)
            we do have a freaky bunch of people down here. Molly Ivins is a good source. Check out some of her stuff.

            By the way, did you know that "Brother" Bush talks on the phone for hours to his "spiritual advisor" evangelist James Robison down here? - he calls `im every few days to talk about "spiritual matters"? Didja know that? Well, pull up Robison's web site sometime, read some of his sermons, check out what this frothing-at-the-mouth-wacko is likely preachin' to our prez. I'm told it's some of the strangest, most poisonous fanatical bullshit you ever heard in yo' life. A real (genuine) Christian friend of mine told me about it - he's just horrified at Robison's rhetoric.  

            In the meantime, though, go ahead and impeach ol' Dubya - I'll help ya - but please, PLEASE, Brer Rabbit, don't send `im back to Texas! We haven't recovered from the last time he was here!

      •  let's just agree he has no creds (none)
        cause he's implicated in "homosexual evil" So when in the story did the bare picture of his upper body surfaace? After susang or before?
      •  I think the sex angle (none)
        may be the only way the American Public is ever going to be interested in this. As a writer, it bothers me because it is clearly illegal, immoral, wrong and stupid to do what "Gannon" did. But Mr. and Mrs. Moral Values are only going to care about this because he was in his undies on the Internets, posing for MEN!

        "Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer." -John F. Kennedy

        by Vestal Vespa on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 04:04:25 PM PST

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    •  But if you do (none)
      Can you nix "male prostitute" for "man whore?"  Seems less hoity-toity.

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