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  •  "No one could have predicted... (3.83)
    "That al Qaeda would hijack airplanes and crash them into buildings."  Now THAT'S public knowledge.

    If this report was ever made public, and it may have been, I don't remember it.  I bet many here on dKos, as devoted a band of Bush detesters as you'll find, don't remember it either.  The Memory Hole is often the most reliable friend of the fools and crooks of the Bush administration, and a visible public reminder of important stuff that passed quickly and was forgotten is not at all a bad thing.

    You can never be too rich, too thin, or too cynical.

    by Dallasdoc on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 09:13:00 PM PST

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    •  pentagon brass knew 911 would happen (3.91)
      they cancelled their flight the night before. It was all part of Cheney's plan - Let it happen on purpose then execute their PNAC plan.

      Newsweek Sep 13 issue:

      "..a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill..."

      but of course, republicans suppressed evidences in order to protect Bush and Cheney.

      They knew but they let it happen. I am getting depressed thinking about 9-11, deaths, destructions and the mess in Iraq.

      •  Don't forget PNAC (3.94)
        In 1997, many of the top Bush administration officials put out the PNAC manifesto, which among many other amazingly accurate predictions for the future discusssed the need for "a new Pearl Harbor" to mobilize the citizenry for all the imperialistic dreams they were outlining.

        Oh, and our buddy John Ashcroft was another who dropped next-day travel plans on 9/10/01.

        You can never be too rich, too thin, or too cynical.

        by Dallasdoc on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 09:35:34 PM PST

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        •  all we need is that whistleblower from FAA-NORAD (3.90)
          I always suspected that Cheney was talking to NORAD and FAA via secret channels and ordering them to stand down but we can't listen FAA or NORAD tapes because they are all classified. So we need that brave person to come forward.
          •  Try destroyed (3.94)
            some of the tapes of the air traffic controllers out on Long Island were found in little itty bitty pieces in several garbage cans scattered throughout the facility.

            Story given was that once the controllers were interviewed, the tapes weren't necessary any longer.

            Have to wonder what ever happened to the person who destroyed those tapes.

            Oh, wait a minute...maybe it can be arranged to grant him a Medal of Freedom?

            •  I also read that they were destroyed (4.00)
              Some of the rarest raw recorded evidence of what was going on and it gets destroyed.

              Coincidence?  Bureacratic f-up?  

              I think not.

              •  not if it was communications w/ Cheney or Bush (4.00)
                I doubt it would be destroyed. That's why ALL FAA and NORAD tapes are classified. FAA has threatened to terminate pensions for current and retired employees if they talk.
              •  just did some memory checking (4.00)
                apparently it was one tape. I don't have the story itself yet. This was posted on a site (King of Zembla, May 8, 2004) the day after the story broke. It's purportedly from a retired air traffic controller:

                As to the meat of the story to which you linked: the tape (apparently singular) destroyed was not an operational tape. It was the equivalent of jotted notes of personal impressions immediately after the incident. Controllers are advised not to make any statements regarding an incident under investigation until they have listened to the operational tapes and consulted with their union representative. Typically they will first jot down some private impressions and then incorporate the objective information available from the taping system and at that point make a formal, legally-binding, written statement. I can tell you from a number of personal experiences that a decompression and reflection period is critical. Emotions run very high--lives may have been lost and one's career and sense of self are in great jeopardy. I have also been the person who operated the taping system for Quality Assurance while walking other controllers through the play-by-play of the incident.

                Now regarding the immediate aftermath of the morning of 9/11, apparently due to the extraordinary significance of this incident, NY Center management and the local NATCA leadership agreed to temporarily overlook this procedure to see if any time-critical knowledge was available.

                He goes on to argue that no air traffic controller would ever hide any wrong-doing. Sigh. A noble sentiment. But lots of small pieces in lots of different garbage cans?

                Seems a bit excessive, no?

                •  these noble sentiments (4.00)
                  are pretty sad in light of the news stories, which are much worse than I remembered.

                  From the WaPo of May 7, 2004.

                  Six air traffic controllers provided accounts of their communications with hijacked planes on Sept. 11, 2001, on a tape recording that was later destroyed by a Federal Aviation Administration manager, according to a government investigative report issued yesterday.

                  It is unclear what was on the tape, but its destruction did little to dispel the appearance that government officials withheld evidence, the report by the Department of Transportation inspector general said.

                  The report found that an FAA manager tape-recorded an hour-long interview with the controllers just hours after the hijacked aircraft crashed into the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania. His intention was to provide the information quickly to the FBI. But months after the recording, the tape was never turned over to the FBI and another FAA manager decided on his own to destroy the tape, crushing it with his hand, cutting it into small pieces and depositing the pieces into several trash cans, the report said.

                  It goes on to name names, and describe punishment. Also pretty sad. NY Times also reported on this.

                •  found it- Cheney was connected to NORAD phones (4.00)
                  http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65

                  Read it - Cheney was on the phones w/ NORAD. Bush may have but not sure and that's why we are allowed to listen to the tapes.

                  It is not that difficult to reconstruct the events on 911. When did Bush know ? When did Cheney do? They knew.

                  Oh, btw, Meyers was the commander of NORAD, prmoted to Chairman after 911.

                •  Destroyed tape (none)
                  Let me guess, that was the tape from the plane that crashed in Shanksville, PA, right? The one where the passengers stormed the cockpit? I'll bet that's the one.
      •  They knew (4.00)
        At least Cheney and Rumsfeld and the neocons knew. But did Bush?  Maybe not.  Rememeber the deer-in-the-headlights look.  But the others knew and let it happen, but didn't think it would be so devastating.  Think of all the emergency workers who lost their lives or their health, and all those who worked at Ground Zero to clean it up and now have health problems.   And the Iraq War.  And the coming wars.  

        Cheney has not been right about one single thing that I can think of during the whole W Presidency.  One of his most dangerous fantasies is that "deficits don't matter."  He will probably be dead by the time the sh- hits the fan, unfortunately.

        If you're going in the wrong direction and you stay the course, where, exactly, do you wind up?

        by Mimikatz on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 10:21:09 PM PST

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      •  I've always believed that they knew -- (4.00)
        -- an attack was coming, and they decided to roll the dice and let it happen. For these people, sending innocent Americans to their deaths was nothing more than a game of chess.  I imagine that they thought the attack would produce maybe 200-300 deaths, and were willing to let it happen to launch their agenda.  

        This is the same "roll the dice" thinking that has manuvered us into Iraq--soon to be another anti-American theocracy--and if these people are not stopped in their tracks, will have us in Iran, Syria... who knows where they'll stop.

        Oh yeah, they're also gambling with our economic security, but we'll leave that for another thread.

      •  I saved the article to my hard drive (4.00)
        It is in an article entitled, "We've Hit the Targets" by Michael Hirsch, Sept. 13 issue.

        The money quote:

        Could the bombers have been stopped? NEWSWEEK has learned that while U.S. intelligence received no specific warning, the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill.

        If anyone wants a copy, let me know.
        I never heard any more information about why those pentagon brass cancelled their flights.

        •  I'm sure the pentagon brass have their stories-- (4.00)
          --in sync by now about why they cancelled their flight.  I'm not going to hold my breath for the SCLM to investigate via this angle.  In his days of yore, I can imagine Rummy responding with annoyance at such a query:

          "People cancel flights all the time.  These are busy busy people, with a lot of demands on their time.  We have war plans to draw up for Iraq--oops, wasn't supposed to say that..."

    •  9/11 Could not have been imagined (3.84)
      ...unless anyone inside the beltway had ever read Tom Clancy's 1994 novel, Debt of Honor or it's sequel, Executive Orders.

      Of course, at nearly 900 pages, I guess Clancy novels are more cocktail party discussion than actual reading material for Beltway Intelligencia, kind of like saying you've read Emmanuel Kant (when you haven't).

      Besides, waging the "War on 'Terror'" is a "lot of work" as the president reminded us during the debates.  How can the president (or any of the thousands of others in his administration) be assumed to have actually read a book?  It could interfere with vacation time down in Texas...  

      "The beginning of thought is in disagreement -- not only with others but also with ourselves." - Eric Hoffer

      by Thinking Republican on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 09:59:37 PM PST

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      •  First reaction to OKC bombing (3.50)
        The first thought of most people at the time thought it was Middle Eastern terrorists.

        Anyone have similar recollections?

        •  OKC Middle EastTerrorists? (none)
          Uh YUP! Roger that.
          •  Wolfowitz still links (none)
            the OKC bombing to Saddam Hussein: he's on record about it. Do some googles. My belief is that OKC may have been an attempt to create a 9/11 style attack and link it back and that "John Doe No.2" was meant to be Iraqi. Google it: there's a lot on this. What happened may be that they got their signals crossed and could not link it back: it may be that they do things on the inside but bungle those! Consider the WTC in 93. Google it as well. The FBI had an undercover agent in that cell prior to the bombing in 1993.
        •  yes (none)
          As I recall, some poor American engineer of middle-eastern descent was held at an airport after OK city as a possible terrorist.
        •  For the general public, (none)
          yes, they said Middle Eastern.

          Political scientists knew it was home grown.  

          They were pretty swift too, tracking down McVeigh.  But, those years were under Clinton.  He knew how to be tough the right way.

          Politics is not about ...predictions. Politics is what we create by what we do, what we hope for, and what we dare to imagine. Paul Wellstone

          by bronte17 on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 07:12:05 AM PST

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        •  OKC Mystery (none)
          There is much more to the OKC Bombing story than the public has been led to believe. Lots of stuff is still classified, and lots of questions have not been answered.

          There is lots of info at this Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation website, particulary this article on the possible Middle Eastern connections.

          The one thing that really bothers me the most, that has never been explained, is the local OKC media's reporting of the additional bombs at the Murrah building. There is lots of info and speculation about that at this website. Interesting read.

          Plus, if you haven't seen it, Alex Jones' first film about his theories on 911 conspiracies, "911: The Road to Tyranny", contains some interesing information about the Oklahoma bombing. He is certainly very strident in his presentation, but if the "facts" are correct, they certainly raise a lot of troubling questions.

          I am a Reform Democrat. Dean screams for me.

          by Mountain Don on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 08:01:29 AM PST

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      •  If reading a book is too hard (4.00)
        You could watch that crappy Ray Liotta movie from the '90s, Turbulence, where he tries to crash a plane into a building.  Combine that with the headline from 1993, when terrorists made a failed attempt to blow up the WTC, and you've got 9/11.  If you can handle "My Pet Goat,"  you can handle those two things.

        The Bush administration is always worse than you imagine, even though you've taken into account that it is always worse than you imagine.

        by rsheridan6 on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 11:11:51 PM PST

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      •  I can't stop! (4.00)
        I always drag this one out whenever the "it couldn't have been imagined" excuse comes up.

        Suicide hijacking targeted President Nixon and Oak Ridge nuclear labs in November 1972.

        Curiously enough, the plane was hijacked over Alabama and shadowed as it flew around the country by the Air National Guard. At one point, orders were even given to arm weapons and be prepared to shoot the plane down, as the hijackers had threatened both Nixon's Key Biscayne vacation home and the Oak Ridge nuclear laboratories.

        So naturally, it's a day that anyone serving in the Air National Guard in November 1972 would never forget.

        Unfortunately, I don't know of anyone who actually was serving in the Alabama Air National Guard in 1972. So I guess we're S.O.L. on that one.

        •  Alabama ANG and Bush (none)
          is this a spurious of-the-wall connection   ?

          But wasn't Bush supposed to be in the Alabama ANG during 1972?  Was he even shadowing said plane with Nixon on board.

          Does he even remember the incident and re-played it in 2001?  Whatever...

           

          it [was] a day that anyone serving in the [ALABAMA] Air National Guard in November 1972 would never forget

          hmmm...

          oh shit what a can-o-worms I've opened

          •  Alabama ANG and CIA. (none)
            I understand there were connections between the Alabama ANG and the CIA.  Some Alabama ANG personnel were shot down over Cuba under JFK, and their families had trouble getting compensation.
          •  He was in Alabama (none)
            Until Nov. I believe.
            Whether or not he was in the Guard is a matter of some dispute.

            "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." Groucho Marx

            by justme on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 02:06:32 PM PST

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