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  •  What is your issue with 1100? (1+ / 0-)
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    I've never dealt directly with the state liquor stores, but what is the issue with buying vodka at costco?

    •  Costco is not the problem, convenience stores (1+ / 0-)
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      Angie in WA State

      are the problem.  I don't want more drunk driving by teenagers and that is what we would have.  I voted no.  

      "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

      by lakehillsliberal on Wed Oct 27, 2010 at 06:10:48 PM PDT

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      •  I agree - with State Liquor stores only (3+ / 0-)

        for hard liquor, it keeps the harder stuff away from kids. I'd actually be more happy if they also required beer to be vended out through the State liquor stores.

        These people all receive special training and absolutely never sell without proper identification - I'm nearly 50 and I still get carded at liquor stores here in Clark County.

        Alcohol kills and maims too many young people in this state - allowing hard liquor in local stores is a bad idea.

        "in Order to form a more perfect Union"
        Basta de Guerra. No más. Enough War. No more.

        by Angie in WA State on Wed Oct 27, 2010 at 06:43:43 PM PDT

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        •  Yep....if they could have restricted liquor sales (1+ / 0-)
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          to large grocery stores(that have trained staff) and Costco then maybe I would have considered it but it really is not that big a deal.    I agree, convenience stores should not be allowed to sell any alcoholic beverages at all.  That is what I think should be on the ballot.  

          "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

          by lakehillsliberal on Wed Oct 27, 2010 at 07:50:37 PM PDT

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          •  One of the scandals up in WA recently was (1+ / 0-)
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            a product that police first thought was drugs, which literally dropped a dozen or so college kids at an event onto the ground. It turned out to be a mix of alcohol and caffeinne, according to the day or so ago's papers. here. It takes longer to get drunk on the strong stouts and malts and hooched up beer which is available, no more straight Rainier, and some of that  juiced up beer sold with beer and soda, probably ought also be in the State Liquor stores.

    •  Taxes (0+ / 0-)

      The state of Washington doesn't have an income tax. It relies on a regressive sales tax and a crazy quilt patchwork of funky fees and excise taxes, one of the largest of which is the state liquor tax, the highest in the nation. Also, the liquor stores make a profit, which is a significant source of funding for small communities like mine. If you give the profits the Costco, well, they get the profits, but we will still be on the hook to pay for the cops and EMT's and fire fighting and such that money pays for. The taxes will still be there, however, as will the profit, and we're adding in a middle man (actually a whole network of them) so liquor prices will actually go up, not down. In rural areas, consumers will pay a LOT more and their selection will be drastically curtailed. In rural areas, the state contracts with individuals to run their stores. It's very efficient. Privatization will devastate 137 mom and pop businesses, mostly run by mature individuals who won't have a lot of other employment options in their communities. I'm one of them. So besides all the above, I'm fighting for my survival.

      I'm originally from Illinois, and yeah, the state control system seems weird to me. But so does not having an income tax. And so does having a tax system where working stiffs pay the same liquor tax on their R&R Canadian Whisky as rich people pay on a $2,000 bottle of Remy Martin Louis XIII Cognac.

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