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  •  You clearly weren't reading this site when (7+ / 0-)

    the auto bailout was introduced. It was a common theme among a rather large segment of this site.

    President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

    by askew on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 12:17:49 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, the same "large segment" (1+ / 0-)
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      that keeps claiming that Obama = Bush. Not. Where do you come up with these phantom far-left fringe lefties? They are not a significant faction here.

      The majority of members here who've opposed Obama's policies have done so from the progressive left, not the far right or far left. E.g. bailouts with strings.

      "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

      by kovie on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 01:00:15 PM PDT

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      •  Whatevs... (4+ / 0-)
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        I could point you to people in Rec Listed diaries that I wrote about the US auto companies that had plenty of comments about letting them die. You don't know what you're talking about.

        To be clear, it's "EClectablog", not "Electablog".
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        by Eclectablog on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 01:32:00 PM PDT

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        •  A loud minority does not a consensus make (0+ / 0-)

          Applies equally to the far right and left.

          "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

          by kovie on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 02:00:03 PM PDT

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          •  Yea but they do annoy... (1+ / 0-)
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            a lot of Kossacks that believe President Obama and Secy Geithner mades some awesome decisions...

            Obama - Change I still believe in

            by dvogel001 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 02:39:42 PM PDT

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            •  Damn (1+ / 0-)
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              And I thought you were snarking here. You really do believe this, don't you?

              "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

              by kovie on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 07:26:30 PM PDT

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          •  And, of course... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...there was never any suggestion that there is a consensus. You've changed the subject.

            To be clear, it's "EClectablog", not "Electablog".
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            by Eclectablog on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 03:26:53 PM PDT

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            •  Ok, then, a significant minority of members (0+ / 0-)

              Not. Play with words all you like, this was never a serious position held by longtime members here, whatever those whom it suits to pretend otherwise claim.

              "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

              by kovie on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 06:03:18 PM PDT

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              •  The exact quote that you responded to... (0+ / 0-)

                ...was:

                There were plenty of progressives who were against the bailout here...

                That is entirely accurate.

                To be clear, it's "EClectablog", not "Electablog".
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                by Eclectablog on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 07:55:48 PM PDT

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                •  I must have amnesia then (0+ / 0-)

                  As I don't recall any of the regulars here whom I'd call progressive being against the auto bailout (even if they didn't like it as ultimately passed, which pretty much applies to most major stuff done under Obama). Were they against HRC too?

                  "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

                  by kovie on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 09:11:04 PM PDT

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      •  There were plenty of progressives who were (2+ / 0-)
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        against the bailout here. They are changing their mind because it was successful and are now trying to claim credit for, but they were loud and proud in opposition to it back in 2009.

        President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

        by askew on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 01:51:57 PM PDT

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        •  I was for it (0+ / 0-)

          As I was for TARP, HCR & finreg. I was just for tougher versions of each, and I'm fairly certain that the majority of serious (i.e. longtime, not drive-by) members here who had problems with each of these and might have for a time opposed them had the same problem with them, but ultimately supported them.

          You're intentionally focusing on the minority of members who help you make your case that this site is too far-left and purist and opposed to anything to the right of Nader.

          Which of course it's not, and it's rediculuous to say or imply so.

          Keep defending mediocrity. The rest of us will continue to push for real reform.

          "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

          by kovie on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 01:59:04 PM PDT

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    •  Generally speaking, it was the right wing that... (5+ / 0-)

      ...was against the Detroit bailout, as well as some of the DINO's, including those DINO's here at DKos.

      Now, as far as GM paying back (and/or the government realizing a profit) what they owe taxpayers anytime soon, that's pretty much of a pipe dream, however.

      Much of GM's business development is occurring outside of the U.S. (especially in China) these days; so, it's nice to see a few bucks being invested in Michigan, even if the lion's share--by far--of U.S. auto industry investment is being in Asia and south of the border. (That's another story for another time.)

      The UAW is, IMHO, from a philosophical and historical standpoint, the most important labor union in this country. And, many/most of these jobs being created now are in the $14-$18 per hour range, far below levels prior to the economy's downturn.

      That being said, $14 per hour jobs are better than no jobs, at all. But, it's the UAW and the middle and lower classes footing the bill here.

      (Disclosure: Commenter was the Michigan press secretary in the Carter/Mondale re-election campaign, in 1980; and, he also acted as the campaign's in-state liaison to the UAW, at the time, where he worked on a daily basis with then-UAW President Owen Bieber.)

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 01:00:54 PM PDT

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      •  They weren't DINOs. A lot of posters who refer (3+ / 0-)
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        to themselves as progressives were against the bailout. It is revisionism to suggest that the left was united in favor of bailing out the auto industry.

        President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

        by askew on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 01:50:49 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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        There was never a large movement to derail the auto bailouts here, especially among progressives. There were criticisms of their specifics, but that's not the same thing.

        P.S. I was two years young to have been able to help Carter win reelection in '80. We are still paying the price for that 3rd rate actor's being able to lie and charm his way to high office and pretty much destroy much of what had been built up in the 45 years before he became president. Easily the worst president since Hoover--until Bush II.

        A racist psychopath based policy on astrology charts and paranoid delusions.

        "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

        by kovie on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 02:08:02 PM PDT

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        •  It was the same ones against... (2+ / 0-)
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          Cash For Clunkers...it is about the crowd that believes we should all give up our cars for the sake of global warming...

          Obama - Change I still believe in

          by dvogel001 on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 02:41:32 PM PDT

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          •  Still not nearly a majority opinion here (1+ / 0-)
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            There were/are also those who say we shouldn't support Dems. I ignore them. You should too. They are a loud minority of functional trolls.

            "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

            by kovie on Thu Oct 28, 2010 at 06:06:56 PM PDT

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            •  It is really hard...they are really loud...n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              Obama - Change I still believe in

              by dvogel001 on Fri Oct 29, 2010 at 02:29:48 PM PDT

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              •  I have this problem with the apologists (0+ / 0-)

                Perhaps it's the side one leans towards--and obviously I lean more towards the critics than the apologists--that one finds easiest to tune out when they overreach.

                "Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" --Alexander Hamilton

                by kovie on Fri Oct 29, 2010 at 07:02:12 PM PDT

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