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  •  Too bad we can't post this (12+ / 0-)

    at every polling place in the US.

    Those who forget the lessons of history are probably watching Glenn Beck.

    by ontheleftcoast on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 08:18:20 AM PDT

    •  You can post it on a sign away from the polling (5+ / 0-)

      place. I don't remember the number of feet but you can be on the street by it!

    •  Too bad Obama doesn't blow his own horn. (7+ / 0-)

      I'm sorry but I have moved squarely into the "what the heck is the matter with Obama's PR machine?"

      When I came home yesterday, I heard about the Yemen package.  I turned to CNN and Obama was droning on.  I turned to Fox and they were talking about the fact that over 90% of some sort of packages aren't scanned at all.  "Doesn't make you feel very safe does it?"

      No, Barack, we can't talk for you.  You have to sell your policies and accomplishments on your own.  

      •  It was Howard Dean who said back in 2003 that (7+ / 0-)

        cargoes from incoming ships and planes should be scanned for terrorist bombs, etc.  As usual, no one listened and no one gave a damn.

        And as usual, Howard Dean was right.  Wish he were president.

        Yes, I'm het, but I'm NOT a Mad Hetter!

        by Diana in NoVa on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 08:43:44 AM PDT

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        •  a party that values rahm emmanuel over (3+ / 0-)
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          howard dean deserves to have its butt kicked, in every election.

          don't settle for the lesser evil! vote for blanche lincoln!

          by output on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 08:45:33 AM PDT

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        •  I have become a Deaniac after the bandwagon has (1+ / 0-)
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          long ago been retired.  What a brilliant man.

        •  But I do wonder if this charged political (1+ / 0-)
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          atmosphere and the age of teabaggers and radical Repbublicans and hate radio ..if Dean would have had more success as President or Speaker of the House? I think this atmosphere of hyper partisanship of Republicans would be just as bad no matter what Democratic President is elected.

          Republicans know they have Fox Noise and hate radio to get out their message.

          I think Republicans will refuse to compromise, refuse to budge, and be just as radical no matter who is President if there is a D next to their name.

          Dean, I will agree, would probably have much better at messaging. That is if anyone can break through the roar of the media who writes its own narrative and does not deal in facts.

          •  Once again I protest derogatory language (0+ / 0-)

            Teabagging is a sexual act for consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes.  It is no ones place to ascribe that term to anyone for any reason.  

          •  dean made the case for progressive policies, (0+ / 0-)

            reached out and found common ground with "guys who drive pickups", and refused to cede the south and west to the goppers. his 50-state strategy delivered Congress to the Dems on a platter.

            in return, he got scorned and derided by rahm emmanuel, with an assist from schumer; both of whom proceeded to steal credit for 2006 when dean was proven right. oh, and a weak-kneed democratic majority led by a bunch of coroporatist hacks.

            he led the party to victory again in 2008, only to be cast out into the wilderness (with the president's apparent approval) by the dc party regulars. and those assholes wonder why there's an enthusiasm gap.

            a party that values emmanuel more than dean, geithner more than warren, and lincoln more than sanders deserves to get its butt kicked.

            by output on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 11:26:12 AM PDT

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            •  Dean's 50 state strategy & Emmanuel's recruitment (1+ / 0-)
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              of blue dogs go hand in hand and both deserve credit.  The 50 state strategy was great because it got the Democrats to stop focusing on the coasts but the only way the 50 state strategy was going to work was to be to recruit some blue dogs in more conservative districts.  I think that is just reality at this point in time and for the forseeable future considering how gerrymandered our districts are.  Progressives aren't going to win in some districts so either we take blue dogs who support us 40-60% of the time or we cede those districts to Republicans.  This election we will cede many of those seats to Republicans

      •  in his defense, it would be a much easier task (0+ / 0-)

        You have to sell your policies and accomplishments on your own

        if he actually have some. after his failure to restore civil liberties, bring the bushies to justice, and to deliver on (or, more importantly, loudly and vigirously make the progressive case and fight for) genuine financial services reform and health care reform, he should be hanging his head in shame.

        don't settle for the lesser evil! vote for blanche lincoln!

        by output on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 08:44:24 AM PDT

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        •  That is so not true. There are plenty. (2+ / 0-)
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          Even if there was just one, there are ways to have it become part of the discussion.  Bush milked a couple things that weren't even accomplishments for all they were worth.

          •  oh, no! lilly ledbetter? again? (2+ / 0-)
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            please spare me the pre-packaged litany small-bore "achievement". with apologies for the cross-post, let me break it down for you:

            if the president had any substantive achievements, he wouldn't have to spin them. if, for example, he had delivered on real health care reform, such as the overwhelmingly popular (among the people, not the oligarchs) medicare for all, people would be building shrines to him.  

            and before you reflexively spout, "art of the possible", let me say that even if the president had failed to deliver on such a bill after having fought hard for it, he and the other dc dems would not only be overwhelmingly popular, they would give people a reason to turn out for this election, and the next, and the next, and so on, until the dems deliver on what they had undeniably fought earnestly and passionately for, to improve the lives of all americans.

            but noooooo . . .  they chose instead to play villain of the week - pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining. you might get away with that on complex issues like trade policy, but a lot of people understand just how much they were screwed by the so-called health care reform, the wall street bailout, and, most recently by the tax code. you can't market your way out of that kind of mess.

            don't settle for the lesser evil! vote for blanche lincoln!

            by output on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 08:51:53 AM PDT

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          •  Bush milked even more. (1+ / 0-)
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            When the economy, as measured by GDP, had been reported as having grown 3.5% for one quarter, he flew to Wall Street to claim success for his economic program.

            3.4%, which later figures reported as that quarter's growth, was the average for the previous 50 years.

            "Look, guys, this time we're slightly above average."

            Corporations are people; money is speech.
            1984 - George Orwell

            by Frank Palmer on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 09:32:44 AM PDT

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            •  That's how you control the talking points (0+ / 0-)

              of the MSM.  Sad to say, I'm giving that round to Bush.

            •  Oh, and wow for your numbers. Point is, (0+ / 0-)

              Obama isn't winning the PR battle by any means.  I tried to keep my point non specific - he has done some stuff (wouldn't you know someone would come along and deny even that milquetoast comment) but he can't sell it without a formally prepared speech.

              It's like I told my new graduate student before her first oral presentation to the other graduate students.  Be confident and hide the things that didn't work because they don't know our system anyway.  If you are uncertain of an answer to their questions, fake it with certainty and confidence.

              •  When he had a bullet-proof majority (1+ / 0-)
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                he had his window to act.  So many structural changes he could have moved on to help the country- energy, jobs, go after Medicare fraud, adjust and extend social security's life, even a line item veto to fight earmarking...

                Instead he wasted his time on the HCRA that people still don't understand, and that people still don't want large parts of, appointed more czars than Peter the Great, took GM from the bond holders and gave it to the unions, coddled Wall Street as he told us all he was not going to do...

                No wonder his base isn't responding.

                •  He never had a bullet proof majority. He had 60 (0+ / 0-)

                  Senators who caucused with the democrats for a few months but even among those 60 senators there was never 60 senators for more progressive policies.  

                  He got a version of healthcare reform passed anyway.  If he hadn't pushed it in his first two years it was never going to get done.  Would you prefer that healthcare get kicked down the road again?  If so then you actually agree with someone who is derided as the devil on here, Rahm Emmanuel.

                •  I think the logic was that that was the best thin (0+ / 0-)

                  to attack first.  I wonder if they didn't expect the Baucus, Lincoln, Lieberman, etc fights.

                  It's so sad for me because the environment is my issue and I can't see it going anywhere at this point.  No matter what happens Tuesday, even if we retain majorities, there is going to be gridlock worse than before.

                  If Grayson loses his election they should pick him for Press Secretary!  Well, that is about like dreaming that we are going to win anything.

              •  I have seen and heard him sell it plenty (0+ / 0-)
                With formally prepared speeches and without.  During the backyard events he handled most of the questions masterfully.  During the event with the Republican house members.  At rallies (formally prepared speeches), town halls (not formally prepared).  He hasn't been perfect and has made some mistakes but I have seen him sell the Democrats' accomplishments over and over and over.  

                I think the bigger problem is that the bench to sell these accomplishments on the Democratic side is sorely lacking.  Obama can only do so much, even as President.  Others need to get out there and sell the accomplishment.  Pelosi has been a terrific speaker but she is a terrible spokesperson.  I wish they would all watch Debbie Wasserman Schultz when she is on the pundit shows.  To the point and great at conveying the message simply.  

              •  I'm not sure (0+ / 0-)

                I'm not sure that this is good advice to grad students.

                Academia is the place for honesty. Or am I just projecting physical-science standards on the whole University?

                Corporations are people; money is speech.
                1984 - George Orwell

                by Frank Palmer on Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 08:54:32 AM PDT

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    •  What we can do is spread it around though... (1+ / 0-)
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      Maybe this could be also be posted in formats that are easily emailed, and also posted to Facebook/Myspace/Etc with working links for the sources (or at least urls that can be copy/pasted)?

      Also, factoids available in Twitter-sized bites might be worth spreading around a bit too.

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