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  •  Sorry, can't agree. (4+ / 0-)
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    So, are you real, or just a poser?  

    That's what your vote is all about.  If you need to pose, and 'stand for what's right',

    You stand behind your beliefs, or else you're the poser, or just lying to yourself about what you believe.  Sometimes you do indeed vote strategically, but voting your beliefs is never a 'pose' unless you don't really hold those beliefs.

    When I vote for a candidate, it's because I believe in that candidate, or feel the difference is so immense that a strategic vote is necessary.  I'll vote strategically against teabaggers, who are, by and large, what I would call 'psychopaths'.  But when I vote for the candidate I believe in, even if he's not one of the two parties with a stranglehold on our political system, it's no 'pose', and it's actually highly insulting to be told it's a 'fantasy'.

    Go tell the folks voting for Meek down in Florida they're voting for a 'fantasy' and are just 'posers'.  I don't think it'll go over real well there either.

    If you feel insulted by anything I've said, find out if it was intentional. I'll let you know if you ask.

    by Ezekial 23 20 on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 05:39:28 PM PDT

    •  Well, a vote is just a vote, in a very long and (1+ / 0-)
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      Complex series of things we will do in our lives.

      Considering my personal costs is no crime, and doing some advocacy intended to sway others to entertain that same consideration isn't either.

      If there is a real shot at a win, I say go for it.  If not, then the cost risk equation comes into play.

      Right now, given the impact of Citizens United, third party options, write ins, protest votes, etc... are costly things.

      Potentially very costly, and that's the argument.

      I personally am not where I'm able to continue bearing that cost.  

      Really, my diary is only insulting, if you think it is.  My argument of that vote being a fantasy one is perfectly defensible, as is yours in return.

      That's discourse at it's finest.  

      There are more options than the vote, and expanding the game some is where we can get some return, without so many of the risks.  A lot of my advocacy will be centered on that, because the game was changed with Citizens United.

      In other words, they raised the cost of those votes very significantly, and that's a sustained and additive cost that will impact us over time.

      Again, you should not be insulted at all.  If you are, please reconsider that, as differences in strategy, station in life, values, ideas, are perfectly ordinary, natural things.

      Finally, standing for what one believes is right, means doing the things that will, in the end, advance those things in society.  It means being productive, if those beliefs are to be embodied in our daily lives.

      So then, a counter productive vote, may well impact those beliefs in a negative way, thus undermining the absolute stand for them.

      You do realize that a "nothing else matters" vote, or position on something is rather easily exploited by those who would do so, right?

      IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

      by potatohead on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 05:54:48 PM PDT

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    •  Is there any case where the GOP will make (3+ / 0-)
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      sberel, 3goldens, blueoasis

      a better decision?

      If so, vote that, if desired; otherwise, deny them the seats.

      Our votes are all about who we think will make the better decisions.

      It's hard to imagine voting in people who make worse decisions, even when both decision sets are bad, being productive.

      IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

      by potatohead on Sat Oct 30, 2010 at 06:56:18 PM PDT

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