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  •  I read their entire damn website at least twice (5+ / 0-)

    in the past year. The status quo is not center left. Abstinence based sex education is not center left. Doing nothing to promote and protect the right to choose while the states and the Supremes erode it, doing nothing to stop perpetually re-enacting Hyde and the like while pushing adoption credits and abstinence is not center left.

    Here's their damn center left - they took a poll in which 49% said they supported gay marriage and then defined the "center" as those who opposed gay marriage but who weren't extremist about it. They eventually decided upon a plan of action - the gays should change their behavior until such time as it pleased the "center" to give them equal rights.

    The gist of a lot of their solutions, where they even propose one, is to do whatever the evangelicals want. That is not center left.

    They support ever more "free trade".

    They oppose strong EPA regs on clean water and instead support "whatever the plant operator feels like doing" rules regardless of long known adverse impacts on the environment and water quality of almost all of the alternatives that they prefer.

    They supported Telecom Immunity
    They haven't found anything worthy of their attention in the civil rights arena, but have plenty to say about homeland/national security, etc.
    They support creating a mandatory 40 hour work week for all incarcerated persons, emphasizing arbeit, familie, elternschaft oops, work, family, parenthood, etc.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt -

    by enhydra lutris on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 01:35:33 PM PDT

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    •  You're ahead of me in reading all the website, (0+ / 0-)

      so I'll catch up by reading those topics you mention, though we can disagree on how the Third Way addresses abortion. I'm very much in the pro-choice camp, but I don't know anyone who is pro-choice who also advocates for more abortions. So what makes sense to me is the Third Way proposal to frame anti-abortionists as wanting to criminalize abortion (who will be jailed?), and a commitment to reduce the number of abortions with more and cheaper access to contraception, and with more assistance to pregnant women (23% of abortions are due to limited finances of the mother). That would expand choice by limiting the number of pregnancies and supporting women who might choose to have a child.

      The report suggests abstinence-emphasis, plus providing medically accurate and age-appropriate contraception information for teens and young adults, not abstinence-only education for teenagers. Let's be real -- how many parents want sex education for teens to avoid all discussion of abstinence? When my offspring were teens I certainly emphasized abstinence first, along with information on contraception.

      I think the report and recommendations are useful.

      Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

      by SoCalSal on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 03:11:08 PM PDT

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      •  I see a bit of the reality underlying the (1+ / 0-)
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        rhetoric, all throughout the abortion and health care and culture wars, the theme is almost exclusively reduce demand, support pregnancies and provide credits for abortion, with one or at most two quickie references to preserving existing rights. The reality is to do absolutely nothing to protect such rights as exist and work to undermine them. They, for example, find no fault with the Nelson Amendment and seemingly only object to Stupak because it may have slowed the passage of health care. Their writing makes legislative inclusions by anti-choice types, whom whey call "pro-life", succeeding in moving things rightward, toward the anti-choice corner seem to be not mereely neutral, but outright good.

        Same with abstinence, it is all about abstinence with, wink, wink, age appropriate information, such as the already existing programs which are 99% abstinence, demonizing those who don't, and 1%, "there's also contraception, but it is far from foolproof".

        These two together against a background of providing credits for procreation "Hey, go have lotsa babies, please, it is good", the crap about family and parenting being key values to be pounded home to the incarcerated and assorted other pandering to the Kinder-kuchen-kirchen view of women and the work-family-fatherhood view of men espoused by the religions that they think should direct our thoughts and processes.

        Not to mention the everpresent kowtowing to evangelicals and other religionists.

        And, of course, it is all about "investing", playing the market, not real investing and two earner families with no job stability or free time tirelessly struggling and hoping that their gambles in the market are good, with mandatory health insurance and they even hint at mandatory investment accounts.

        I simply see none of that as remotely progressive. They and they alone claim that it is.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt -

        by enhydra lutris on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 04:09:09 PM PDT

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        •  Appreciate your reply... (0+ / 0-)

          this could be an interesting discussion on a number of issues, including comparative definitions of progressive. I don't have the time or patience tonight to attempt that, but I enjoyed reading your posts (even where I don't agree) much more than I liked the diary. Thanks.

          Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

          by SoCalSal on Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:04:19 PM PDT

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