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  •  Recall if you will (4.00)
    That the Pentagon referred to the Cole bombing as "stale".  Since when was the bombing of one of our ships and the death of our servicemen considered "stale".

    Stale as in too old to launch the full PNAC press.

    •  Please... it was Clinton's fault! (3.00)
      After all the investigations concluded in early January of 2001, at least a few days before Bush  office.  Clinton should have stopped packing his things together and gotten the Republican Congress to rally around his lame-duck ass and authorize a military strike days before Bush took over.

      By the time January 20th rolled around it was old news!

      "If immortality is found in the absence of time rather than infinite stretches of time, then those who live in the present live forever."

      by WAmod on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 06:52:42 PM PST

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      •  Sarcasm, kerry swag. n/t (none)

        "If immortality is found in the absence of time rather than infinite stretches of time, then those who live in the present live forever."

        by WAmod on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 07:39:04 PM PST

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      •  Yup... (none)
        They would've come back, put partisanship aside, and supported the president, right?

        IIRC they were so supportive of our troops in Bosnia that a huge chunk of the opposition railed against involving our troops in a humanitarian mission.

        From Representative Ron Paul of Texas:

        "Included in the bills considered by the House last week was the conference report on the Defense Department appropriation for the coming year. In addition to spending more than $5 billion more than the last fiscal year, this budget continues funding for the UN mission in Bosnia. Sure, the appropriation bill contained a sentence or two asking, in a very soft way, that our troops be pulled out by mid-1998 - but even this weak request provides loopholes so that the president may continue US involvement in the UN Bosnia operation. We've been hearing promises of extracting our troops "in six months" for two years now, and yet American soldiers are still in the middle of a dangerous conflict in which we do not have a legitimate basis for intervening.

        It's almost criminal that we're spreading thin our troops around the globe, putting them dangerously in harms' way, for no national security reasons. Our nation is made weaker by letting the UN commandeer our troops. We need to get our troops back under our command, withdraw them from these regional conflicts, and concentrate on protecting our borders and not policing the world."

        You're right. Something should have been done about the Cole.

        But how do you chase a ghost?

        •  sorry, should have made it more clear (none)
          I was trying to be sarcastic.  Mission not accomplished!

          "If immortality is found in the absence of time rather than infinite stretches of time, then those who live in the present live forever."

          by WAmod on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:10:28 PM PST

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          •  No worries <g> (none)
            I saw that right after the post went up.

            Was digging up the Ron Paul speech.

            Gosh I wish he was as worried about the welfare of our troops being in the position of "the world's police" now as he was back then...

        •  Ron Paul is a libertarian and consistently against (none)
          military intervention. He is a strong opponent of the Iraq war and the Patriot Act. He is a bad example to use for your point. He is no Republican hack. In fact he was the 1988 Libertarian Party candidiate for President. See the attached interview from 1/31/2003, his stance on the war and civil liberties is similar to many Daily Kos posters.

          Texas Observer: Is it inevitable we will go to war with Iraq?
          Ron Paul: I would say the odds are 98 percent. Only a miracle will save us from committing this overt act of aggression. I think this will be a gift for Osama bin Laden. He will be the beneficiary of it. He hates Saddam Hussein. He has a better chance of getting one of his men [in power] after we cause a lot of disruption over there. And besides, his recruiting operation is going to get a real boost. We are going to prove to many Muslims around the world exactly what he has been telling them all along, that we are over there to dominate, to control, and to get the oil. I think we have fallen into that trap.

          •  Thanks for the info... (none)
            I confess that Paul was the first quote that I came upon after I couldn't get into the National Journal archives. I was in there a while ago and saw that there was a vote on funding the Bosnia mission wherein a chunk of the opposition (not just republicans) voted against funding the forces.

            And I seem to recall a plethora of opposition websites arguing against getting involved in Bosnia based on the humanitarian arguments set forth.

            What I thought was interesting is how quickly Bosnia has been used as a foundation moment for our involving ourselves in humanitarian Iraq: "After all, we went after Slobodan, did we not? Saddam is equally bad."

      •  Clinton (none)
        What gets me is that if 9/11 had happened under Clinton's watch, the Thugs would have waged an all out war on him.  And Bush gets away with the most sickening display of exploitation of the tragedy that it gets him so-called "elected."  All that phony patriotism and taking advantage of the grief and suffering for political gain and to detract from the fact that his negligence was a contributing factor.... makes me sick.  He's still doing it too!

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