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  •  To follow on this (none)
    didn't Clarke say as mcuh druing his testimony (hair on fire)? That was certainly the impression that I got: during the transition, Clarke did his best to warn and prepare the new admin, but they couldn't be bothered (because they had to get Saddam, after all).

    While this memo corroborates Clarke's testimony, if no one cared back then, why is anyone going to care now?

    •  Entertaining friends on the ranch (none)

      Crawford Texas August 25, 2001

      THE PRESIDENT:
         I guess they don't know what it's like to be the President. (Laughter.) I get plenty of quality time with a lot of really good people. Sometimes, it's important to just get away as well.

         Plus, you know, one of the things we miss in Washington is our friends. And they're here. We've got the Weisses here, the Gannons! [Emphasis Ed.] are here, Pam Nelson is here. And we find it really relaxing to sit down on the porch with our buddies and just shoot the breeze. And, you know, it's amazing. You don't have to defend any policy you make. I mean, your friends are your friends. These people were friends of mine before I became President, they'll be friends of mine after I'm the President. And people just take you for what you are.

      Walk with your President

      Bush's Agenda in August 2001 -- the record according to official White House Press Releases.

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      •  Different Gannons (4.00)
        I think.  The first thing I thought of when the whole Gannon affair hit the fan was this article from Harper's a while back.  It's about "The Family," a Christian group that is frightnening to say the least.  Anyway, one of the residents of the home is simply referred to as Gannon, and is said to be the son of a Texas oilman and former aide to Senator Nickles.  It seems that the Texas oilman Gannon is the one Bush referred to, not the Guckert Gannon.
        •  Never meant the reporter! (none)
          Just wanted to underline the coincidence of the name Gannon. The Gannons referred to as friends in Crawford are still unknown to me.

          Recently in diaries plenty of focus on the Gannons as corporation in St. Louis, the relationship with the SBVT smear campaign of Kerry.

          Gannon International and Gannon Technology
          See also article in dKosopedia!

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      •  Please NEVER refer to it as a ranch. (none)
        It was a pig farm until it was bought for Bush in Nov 2000. That's right, his beloved ranch, on which he harvests brush, has only been his for just more than four years. Another example of the SCLM's fine work.
      •  More boffo news from "the pig farm" (none)
        Thanks creve for the link. Turned up some really interesting Bush repartee (yes, I actually read the whole thing):

        I'll work out here until around noon.  We've got three couples as house guests.  Beth, the barber from Austin, is coming out.  She'll want to see this place.  So I'll give her a tour.  I want to look good for the Little League World Series tomorrow.  The Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

             Q    Oh, that's right.

             Q    What were your stats?

             THE PRESIDENT:  You know, I'd better not give them to you, because somebody will dig them out and find that it wasn't accurate.  I was a pretty good player.  I was a catcher, on the Cubs, the Midland Cubs.  As I said, I peaked in Little League.

             Q    Were you Hall of Fame quality?

             THE PRESIDENT:  Little League?  Well, I qualified by the fact that I was the first President ever to play Little League baseball.  I think that's -- you know, first guy to hit 60 home runs, first guy to actually put the uniform on.  What the heck?  What's the difference?

             * * * *

             Q    So how many hours a day are you out here?

             THE PRESIDENT:  About three.  But I've had the full day already.  I got up at 5:45 a.m., read all the stuff I needed to read, and then took off at about 7 a.m. with a little run, got back to the house about 7:45 a.m. and we had a CIA briefing for an hour, and a national security briefing. Both of them took an hour.  Then we came down here and started working. And this will be it.  Probably finish about 12:15 p.m. or so.

             Q    So you're so in your element here.  Are you dreading going back to Washington?

             THE PRESIDENT:  No.  Life is a series of contrasts.  And I like it here a lot, I really do.  And I am in my element here.  We really like it. But I also like -- I wouldn't have run for President if I didn't like the challenge and the give and take and the sense of accomplishment.  Plus, we like living in the White House.  It's a nice place to live, as they say in Crawford.

             Q    I know, but I think when people see you out here, who haven't been to the ranch before -- a lot of us haven't -- now we sort of get it.

             THE PRESIDENT:  Get a feel for it, yes.

             Q    I mean, get why you guys come down here so much.

             THE PRESIDENT:  Well, it's our home, and we love it here.  You know, I'll come back.  Vladimir Putin's coming out here, so I'll be back relatively quickly.  I've got a lot of work to do in Washington.  I'm looking forward to going back.  I've just got a lot to do.  As a matter of fact, I'll be at my desk on Friday, presuming they've got the White House -- the Oval Office refurbish completed.

             * * * *

             Q    Now, do you go hunting on the ranch?

             THE PRESIDENT:  I don't.  I don't hunt deer.  But I do hunt dove, and I have hunted dove.  We don't have any quail.  And I don't want to shoot the turkeys.  I like turkeys.  But we let people come and thin out the deer.  A ranch can overpopulate with deer.  All right, we're moving.

        Here are the things I love about this:

        • "You know, I'd better not give [my little leagues stats] to you, because somebody will dig them out and find that it wasn't accurate." YES! Bush is on record saying he speaks falsehoods given the chance!

        • "Little League?  Well, I qualified by the fact that I was the first President ever to play Little League baseball.  I think that's -- you know, first guy to hit 60 home runs, first guy to actually put the uniform on.  What the heck?  What's the difference?" When in doubt, make something up. First President to play little league? Was he? Does he know?

        • "But I've had the full day already.  I got up at 5:45 a.m., read all the stuff I needed to read, and then took off at about 7 a.m. with a little run, got back to the house about 7:45 a.m. and we had a CIA briefing for an hour, and a national security briefing. Both of them took an hour.  Then we came down here and started working. And this will be it.  Probably finish about 12:15 p.m. or so." A "full day" over at 12:15 p.m.? Perhaps his pay should be adjusted to cover the shortfall. I particularly like that all the reading he needed got done between waking at 5:45 (assume he showers, takes a leak, brushes teeth, dresses, eats and so on) and leaving at 7:00 a.m.

        • "Plus, we like living in the White House.  It's a nice place to live, as they say in Crawford." And noone's going to evict us anytime soon, as long as Karl's on it.

        • " I've got a lot of work to do in Washington.  I'm looking forward to going back.  I've just got a lot to do." Did I mention I had a lot of work to do? And did I also mention that it was hard, it was hard work, it is hard work what we're doing in Washington, we have challenges and they are, well, they are hard work, but it's work that we will do, the hard work.

        -- "I don't hunt deer.  But I do hunt dove, and I have hunted dove.  We don't have any quail.  And I don't want to shoot the turkeys.  I like turkeys." I started hunting dove when I was young--I had heard that doves might have WMDs, and that got me to thinking that perhaps we could bring them freedom and democracy to 'em. Also, doves don't move that fast so I's can shoot 'em real well.

        "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

        by thingamabob on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:11:28 PM PST

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        •  Appreciated and fine detail work (none)
          That's my handicap and sometimes gets you a lucky break. Look for the detail with a fine haircomb, that's where a clue is to be found.

          As I recall his main & perhaps only topic for an extended stay in Crawford was his intent to issue his verdict on the stem cell research legislation. It's hard work. No the President is not on holiday, he is actually "working" in Crawford, Tx.

          Condi before the Congressional hearings:
          "No, I was not given an advice what to undertake".
          No one handed her a plan because she didn't have the insight to ask for one. She must be a Dodger fan, dodging the truthful answers the people should have gotten from the NSA, National Security Advisor.

          IMHO Bush shut himself off from real issues and  persons with their hair on fire on the security alerts during his stay in Crawford. So the Vice must have excerted power and was at the reigns in DC, do you think? I still like to know who the Gannons were at the ranch!

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          •  I think it's worse than that (4.00)
            First of all, Condi was the National Security Advisor. I would think that one aspect of their resume which would qualify them for this position was not needing to be told what sorts of things might be of interest to the President in terms of security. Really.

            But as far as Bush shutting himself off from people, I don't think there was anything different about August 2001 from any other time. Bush is a) pretty ignorant, b) incurious, and c) thinks that God'll pass him the necessary information when the time comes. Add to this an NSA who was waiting for a document from the president giving her advice on how to give advice to the president. Add the neo-cons who were pursuing their goals with or without direct support from W. (they had Dick, the real president, anyway). Add to this Karl's strategy of keeping W. as ignorant as possible. We wouldn't want him to look disingenuous when he explained that "if I had known something, I would have acted upon it." And I truly believe he thinks his ignorance on this point is virtuous.

            "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

            by thingamabob on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 06:29:47 AM PST

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    •  That's what I want to know. (none)
      Why is this some huge big deal? Didn't we already know this?

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      I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

      by Volvo Liberal on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 08:25:11 PM PST

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