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  •  Nonsense, I voted for President Obama... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and numerous other more or less anti-gay politicians (Obama being less anti-gay than Clinton, an achievement in some circles).  Were I a single issue voter, on that issue of all things, I would not have cast my vote for them.  

    I'm well aware that gays are despised by a large segment of society, including parts of the Democratic base.  Of course the issue works well politically; there was a period where anti-black legislation worked wonders.  Antisemitism was a powerful political force in Europe.  Etcetera.  

    I also don't understand the point of your omment.  How am I "comforted by the fact that singlue issue voting works so well against gay marriage," and what does that even mean?

    "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

    by Alec82 on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 05:09:28 AM PDT

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    •  You're dodging the point. (1+ / 0-)
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      You think that there's something to evaluate as to "whether" there was high funding and low voter attention, and implicitly, to not be concerned if it's the case.

      I don't.  I find the fact that the that this entirely foreseable scenario continues to play out to be alarming.  Maybe you don't because you're assuming a false causality, namely, that being despised eventually leads to everything being fine.  But when the minority is able to control the majority, that's simply not the case.

      Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

      by Inland on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 05:23:43 AM PDT

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      •  Well I do think.. (0+ / 0-)

        ...that the high funding/low attention speaks to how the issue will be evaluated in the future.  And I am not assuming that everything will work out in the end, although the attitudes of young people right now seem to indicate it will improve in the very long run.  

        Most anti-gay popular votes pass in this country.  That's an unfortunate statistical reality; if there's ever a social leveling from gays, it will come through judiciary.  One of the reasons I am opposed to the administration's actions on DADT; what could have been a significant court victory has been turned into near certain defeat, while there will be no legislative repeal of DADT.  This despite overwhelming popular support for repeal if polling is any indication.  

        "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

        by Alec82 on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 05:55:19 AM PDT

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        •  It will come through the judiciary? (2+ / 0-)
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          Solely?  Strange, considering the result in Iowa, the near miss and possible future failure in CA.  

          First, both these events were easily avoidable, and far from inevitable, so there's no reason to assume the judiciary must be the savior.

          Second, the judiciary never gets the last word, as there are always efforts at the ballot box to change judicial results.  

          Third, the judiciary is populated by people who are either appointed by politicians or by voters, so it's not possible to divorce "the judiciary" from electoral politics.  Even if the IA decision stands, every other judge and pol in every other  state noticed what happened.

          Fourth, the jews and blacks you referred to earlier only obtained civil rights through the political process, beginning with the post civil war amendments to the constituition and continuing throught 1964.  

          I don't understand this simply writing off the ballot box, against all reality.  Pesonally, I think your adherence to the theme of a bipartisan alliance against gay rights is preventing you from admitting that electoral politics matters.

          Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

          by Inland on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 06:12:17 AM PDT

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