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View Diary: An Updated Agenda and A Look at Exits (Warning: VERY LONG) (46 comments)

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  •  Fleet, with all due respect, I think you are (0+ / 0-)

    Misreading the exits.  First, you are wrongly conflating the views of people who voted yesterday with what the opinion of this country is overall.  This exit, however, reflects the views of a much older, much whiter, much more conservative and Republican slice of this country than is really the case. Case in point: You state that the exits showed only 46% voted for Obama. However in 2008 Obama received 53% of the vote.  This means that among those that voted yesterday about 54% did not vote for Obama.  Interestingly, nearly all the exit poll questions you cite to correlate almost neatly with this fundamental skew of the electorate.  

    •  With all due respect? (0+ / 0-)

      this "skewed" group of voters decimated dems in the House, returning overwhelming control to the republicans, seriously weakened democrats in the senate and helped to establish an agenda for the next two years which creates even more profound difficulties for this administration.

      And you want to talk about ... the segment that didn't vote ... as if they are significant.

      They aren't. The voters who were significant voted.

      This diary suggests something more than "hearkening back to the golden age of Obama fever-" it suggests that certain positions provide traction for preserving and enlarging the democratic base and certain positions don't.

      In a democracy dissent is an act of faith. Like medicine, the test of its value is not in its taste, but in its effects. J. William Fulbright

      by crescentdave on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 10:52:35 PM PDT

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    •  the problem with that stance is this (0+ / 0-)

      and it may seem obvious but:

      the voters who voted voted.  We can plan an agenda and say we want to do things over what "all Americans" want, but when it comes down to it, the only people who truly matter are the ones who vote.

      Now, granted, I think there is an argument that the situation - whether it is things Obama did or didn't do or the general conditions in the country - perhaps made some people decide to stay home who would have otherwise voted, and I think it is OK to take those people into account.

      But I think there has often been this feeling that Obama and the Democrats should act as if there is some hidden, silent liberal majority in the nation who never votes, but would if they would just act like liberals.  I don't think we can base our decisions hoping that will happen.

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