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  •  I guess what I'm asking is this (none)
    Let's assume he didn't know the attack was going to happen.

    But how could he assume a plane flying into the WTC was an accident, once he was told of it?

    And even if he was told that it was a small plane, he had been warned about remote-control planes being used in attempt to KILL HIM in Italy only a two months before.

    Why didn't he assume that this had happened?

    And why did Condi, who we now know was well aware of the threat to aviation, including potential suicide hijacking, not tell the President, "Georgie, sweetheart, this doesn't sound like a terrible pilot or a terrible accident, turn on the TV."?

    It is the behavior at the school I am focused on.

    The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

    by BooMan23 on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 12:17:36 AM PST

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    •  His behavior was amoral (4.00)
      His behavior at the school is not that of a leader.  His behavior is representative of a 10 year-old boy who is wondering how much trouble he is going to get in, and how he can lie his way out of it.  He was clearly looking for a plausible excuse.  Pull out your F-911 CD again and watch that part of the movie.  

      He is not a leader, he has never been a leader, and will never be a leader.

      The WTC tragedy had the effect of stopping everyone in this country.  I remember exactly what I was doing when I heard the news.  And I was horrified!  And scared!  And I made sure I knew where all of my family members were and that they were safe.  Immediately!

      Don't you find it very odd that it did not stop Bush for even a moment, that he displayed no emotion even close to horror or concern after being informed of the event?  I did not see any horror on his face.  In fact, he was so non-plussed, he stayed for a photo-op after the reading of "My Pet Goat"

      On the chance that he actually didn't know it was going to happen, his expression and demeanor could then be described as that of a person with a psychopathic personality.  

      Webster's New World Dictionary defines a psychopathic personality as a person whose behavior is largely amoral and asocial and who is characterized by irresponsibility, lack of remorse or shame, perverse or impulsive (often criminal) behavior and other serious personality defects, generally without psychotic attacks or symptoms.

      Okay, now is this the part where they take me away in the dark of night?  Or perhaps they will just have me fired for blogging. . .

      •  He looked (none)
        concerned and distracted on the tape, but Gannon says he was carrying on "like he didn't have a care in the world" after the tape cut off.

        How is it possible that Rice let him believe that it was an accident?

        And how is it okay that he didn't care about an accident enough to delay his schedule?

        And why was he back slapping and hamming for photos after he was told America is under attack?

        You see, that is the damning part.

        The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

        by BooMan23 on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 01:07:53 AM PST

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        •  Shit (none)
          Sammon, not Gannon. I've got Gannon on the brain.

          The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

          by BooMan23 on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 01:08:39 AM PST

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          •  And when his plane finally returned to DC. . . (none)
            . . .and Bush went on national tv - he was HAMMERED!

            I have not found one person that remembers that, but I clearly do.  He was either heavily medicated or drunk (takes one to know one).

            These are not the leadership skills that I want children emulating - or adults for that matter.

    •  Take a look at this ad we made from Booker 9/11 (4.00)
      The TV ad ran just for a few days in 2 swing states. Most have never seen it. I think it frames the situation far better than Michael Moore did in F 9/11 -- because Moore diluted the entire impact by making some clever wisecrack remark -- vs allowing the power of the moment to play.

      Take a look: "Judgment Matters"

      or, specifically this movie file: (right-click and save-as, so you can play it bigger size in a Quicktime window.

      Note the look Bush throws off to the front left side of the room. You only catch this "query" to his aides which says "what do I do?" if you FREEZE that moment,,, because he then looks away. He knows better than to sit there.

      ANd he sure as hell knows that he could easily stand and say "Kids, being President, people are always calling me on the phone, I have to go take this call, but y'all keep reading and I'll be back in a minute...""   that absurd excuse about not wanting to worry the children has never washed. WHo in their right mind would provide any indication at all to those kids that there was something wrong? Why so many people just accepted the sheer nonsense of the idea that it was BLACK or WHITE is beyond me... as though by excusing himself there need be ANY indication at all that something is wrong... therefore must put security of New Yorkers on hold because I can't excuse myself without terrifying them. Bullshit.

      Also look at "Vanessa 9/11" --- there was so much more to that interview that I may make it into a documentary short.

      •  Great piece! (none)
        Wow - the Judgement Matters ad was excellent! Thanks for posting the link.

        I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. -- Thomas Jefferson

        by lesliet on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 03:43:46 AM PST

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        •  My only wish is we had it on air wider, longer (none)
          ... both "Judgment Matters" and "Vanessa 9/11"

          Unfortunately while all the money was being spent on nice Democratic tame ads, we couldn't get proper funding.

          Those who knew, knew it very early on. We weren't going to win with Pro-Kerry ads... phoney with the Land's End hunting jacket. Supposedly everyone KNEW this was an ABB campaign... yet poor pathetic Dems were soo scared to run a hard hitting ad. Well fuck them.

          You might also look at the Swift Boat ad we made --- as a specific mind-fuck neutralizer --- which really got to the CORE issue --- while Kerry's dumbass team played it "above the fray".

          Lastly, compare "What's so Funny?" to MoveOn's MUCH-tamer version....

          See, this is a problem. People keep talking about media... yet we/they/whoever keep throwing Soros money on tame stuff. It sickens me that we could not get these hard hitting ads funded properly.

          We WILL next time... but only because we're building a cable network called GTV ...

          Oh, you've never heard of it?  That's because in the world of the left, unless you read that MoveOn was doing it, it must not be real. :)

      •  Nice (none)
        I wish we could have gotten together during the campaign, but I went into the field after giving up on getting this story out there.

        F911 did a piss poor job of it by not including the Bill Sammon materiel.

        The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

        by BooMan23 on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 03:47:15 AM PST

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        •  "An Interesting Day" was best explana (4.00)
          Anyone who followed for a long time knew of the various multi-color threaded 9/11 Timelines from Cooperative Research etc.

          But this one article -- "An Interesting Day" -- titled for how Bush characterized that day a year later at a Town Hall Meeting when asked what he thought --- was the best and clearest presentation of "who knew what when" on that day. Yet a report of that quality never saw the light of day in mainstream America.

          With it's narrative-based timeline and photos -- and MAP showing positioning of his car along the route from the Resort to the Booker School -- it just couldn't be clearer that the whole Booker School event should never ever have taken placer at all. Because they all knew BEFORE entering Booker what had happened with Plane 1.

          Verifiable sources quoted in that article say that easily 4 Presidential aides knew the first attack was serious -- even starting from BEFORE he the car left the hotel for the classroom.  He was asked by a major news agency if he knew what was happening in New York...

          Look at the head of the Situation Room -- and her running to tell the President.

          It is simply ludicrous that we even have to WAIT for the notification from CARD that a SECOND plane struck a 2nd tower, because they all knew about the first strike. And were all in contact.

          The ad depicts via SOUND the description reported by multiple sources --- that cell phones all went off at the back of the room right after Tower 2 was hit. And yet Card and Fleisher sat there like bumps on a log while "the President gathered his thoughts"?  That's total bullshit.

          Card tells Bush and then immediately steps back without so much as a pause for "IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT ME TO DO?"  (Imagine Leo McGary (sp) in West Wing whispering to Sheen, then backing off without so much as even a facal expression that communicates "YOU GOTTA COME NOW"  )

          Based on the narrative, and based on the decision to go ahead with the Booker event -- with a blythe "We'll have a statement about it later" -- when immediately upon arrival at Booker they actually went into that secure room (that had been prepped for that Presidential visit) obviously deciding how to approach this -- and deciding "we should go ahead with the reading, and then we'll do the 9:30 am TV event as initially planned", it is clear that Card's behavior is the one that needs examining.

          In any kind of psychological assessment I make of that moment where Andy Card immediately backs away, and focusing on what wasn't done, I cannot draw any plausible conclusion other than this:

          Either the President decided to go ahead with the Booker reading -- or Cheney told him to (more likely)  -- or Ari Fleisher and Card suggested he do that while they gathered details or something or other -- but before going into that classroom, there had to have been a prior conversation about what to do or not to do if there were any further updates.  Can you imagine any grown man -- Fleisher and Card in particular -- allowing the President to just SIT there when THEY had their cell phones going off and surely people on the other end telling them not only was a 2nd tower struck, but that the scope of damage of Tower One included a huge gash which was the size of a large jetliner... thus telling either of them -- not one, but two JETS hit one WTC tower each?

          Think it through. It would be MORE plausible that Card and Fleisher etc just stood there waiting for the Master to make a move if they had never been prior told about a plane #1 or tower #1. Then this would have been fresh information and it could be believable that they weren't sure what to do.  (But even THAT is a stretch.) What would YOU have done if you got that cell phone call and then just stood by waiting for the President to signal that he needs x, y, z procedure to take place? Or would you have intruded on that relatively inconsequential event of school kids reading?

          Think about it. What would be a reason why you would NOT intervene and gently get the President to excuse himself to take a phone call?  Any single one of them could have done that and how would that be unusual? As if Ari or Andy had never interrupted a photo op before for even minor stuff like "your kids were caught drubk again, Laura's pissed, you gotta take the call Boss.." ...

          The only plausible reason I can put together in my head that they did NOT intervene is that they were prior told NOT to indicate there was anything wrong... even though each of them already knew about Tower #1.  They had to have AGREED that it was best to wait and make FIRST MENTION of the entire situation at the 9:30 pre-planned press conference.  There can be no other explanation in my book.

          The only explanation that washes is that they DECIDED that they would go ahead with the kids reading the Pet Goat photo op event -- and that even if additional reports were to come in over the next 30 minutes that indicated the NYC events had escalated into something further, they were all in agreement that the course of action would be to wait til the 9:30am already-scheduled Press conference, where the tons of TV and camera crews were already set up for.

          Look at the footage again.  I should find a higher rez version (like 100MB size) and post it and let people download it and evaluate the sequencing of what WASN'T done.  I find it damning.

          But they managed to keep the version of the story they wanted to have in the mainstream news.

          Just like they managed to keep a lid on the Gannon story until after the election.

          The best speculation I have heard mentioned that explains the oddity of "jeff gannon" suddenly getting a high-access job for which he never had training is that he had sex-dirt on someone at the White House.  And Rove's army's job was to squelch this airtight -- and the safest way to do that would be give this guy a high-level gig and tell him  "In exchange, you are going to write exactly what we tell you to write, and you will ask these questions in the White House briefings VERBATIM, you got than "gannon"? ...  And if if he fucks up or says one word, he's a dead man. Then it was Rove's army's job to clamp this whole thing down until after the election. And as we have seen, after the election was secured, even if they lost control of this story, one thing was for sure -- the President is still the President... and if there is some scandal involving some other White House player -- and it were to come out after the election was secured, then they of course would be shocked and outraged and take decisive disciplinary action. They'd cross that bridge when it came.

          •  I understand your theory (none)
            there is one problem.

            There was a report from an ABC reporter not long after 9:00am that Bush had been told before he left the Hotel.

            That report was wrong.

            Bush left the Hotel at approximately 8:35 for a 20 minute drive to the school.

            The first plane crashed at 8:46.

            We need to stop repeating that one.

            The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

            by BooMan23 on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 05:09:36 AM PST

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            •  Fine, but the map shows timing correctly... (none)
              ... and I still argue that the essay above has the best co-linear presentation of any I have ever seen.

              On another note, what do you make of Michael Ruppert's theory which he claims to prove in his book "Crossing the Rubicon"?  ... Do you find him credible? Has anyone substantiated or refuted his facts?

              Ruppert, editor of "From The Wilderness" lays out the theory in his speech to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, August 31st, 2004:



      (HTML of the PDF file)


      (HTML of the WORD doc version)

              •  I do not find Ruppert credible (none)
                however, he makes many credible points.

                Overall, he has done more damage to real conspiracy theorists than any man alive.

                Daniel Hopsicker is a much better reporter, and yet he too is too loose with the facts.

                The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

                by BooMan23 on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 10:06:52 AM PST

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