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  •  I don't think so. (2+ / 0-)
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    The bill had to pass the Senate through reconciliation.

    This statement is just factually incorrect.  The Democrats defeated a Republican filibuster in the Senate and passed a health care bill.  That bill then passed the House with assurances that it would be later amended through reconciliation in the House and Senate.  Recall that the House cast two votes (well actually, three but that's another matter): one one to pass the unreconciled Senate bill and another to pass the reconciliation amendments that then later passed the Senate.  The unreconciled portion of the bill is now the meat of the law, and it is not subject to any sunset provision.  Why do you think the yahoos are bothering to challenge it in court?  If it were passed via reconciliation, they could just let it expire.

    I watched every second of this process.  I 100% certain of what I'm talking about.  Go back and familiarize yourself with the record.

    Oba-MA bumaye! Oba-MA bumaye!

    by fou on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 11:33:56 AM PDT

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    •  I know you don't. (0+ / 0-)

      Nevertheless, you don't know half as much as you think you do about how the bill finally passed.  After-the-fact amendments helped solidify the bill's status as a law on the books until it is repealed, or overturned in the courts.  But it still had to pass the Senate through reconciliation.  It never went through the normal process in that legislative body because the Democrats coddled the Republicans by joining filibuster threats if it wasn't watered down sufficiently enough — and they still didn't get a single Republican vote.

      Follow your own advice.  I watched the same sick process unfold, and you are spinning it to fit your interpretation.

      "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time." -- Harry S. Truman

      by Michael in Ohio on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 11:40:48 AM PDT

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      •  No I'm not. (0+ / 0-)

        You initially said that the Health Care bill passed via reconciliation.  That is factually incorrect.  Of course passing the Senate version of the bill required assurances that it be amended via reconciliation, but that's very different than saying flatly that the entire bill passed via reconciliation.

        The bill had to pass the Senate through reconciliation.

        Not the initial bill.  Reid and the Democrats overcame a filibuster threat with sixty votes.  That bill then passed the House.

        The fact is Democrats passed a durable Health Care law, with amendments passed through reconciliation.

        Oba-MA bumaye! Oba-MA bumaye!

        by fou on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 11:59:36 AM PDT

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        •  Sure you are. (0+ / 0-)

          You demonstrated how little you choose to know about how the final health insurance bill was passed, and in an effort to avoid embarrassment, proceeded to spin things to the point where it became a lie.

          "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time." -- Harry S. Truman

          by Michael in Ohio on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 02:49:43 PM PDT

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          •  What lie? (0+ / 0-)

            If you're going to accuse someone of lying, prove it.  Of course you can't, because I haven't lied.  You've asserted that I lied when I haven't either you're dense, or because you're the liar.

            Oba-MA bumaye! Oba-MA bumaye!

            by fou on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 03:16:32 PM PDT

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            •  Let it not be said... (1+ / 0-)
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              viet vet

              Let it not be said that I can't admit to being wrong.  You were correct after all.  The Senate bill did, apparently, pass by a vote of 60-39, according to GovTrack.us.

              I apologize for suggesting that you had lied.

              "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time." -- Harry S. Truman

              by Michael in Ohio on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 06:02:18 PM PDT

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