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  •  There are two questions you should ask (2+ / 0-)
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    1. Did he vote the right way more than the Republican in the seat will vote?

    The answer is yes to every single Blue Dog.

    1. Could anyone more liberal get elected in that seat?

    For some Blue Dogs, the answer is yes.  For some, its no.  For some, its 'maybe'.

    I'd suggest for the 'no's' and 'maybe's', you take your Blue Dog and be happy with it.  Maybe he'll ever sit and bark for you once in a while.

    "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided." --Barack Obama, June, 2008

    by oldskooldem on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 02:51:25 PM PDT

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    •  And when the Blue Dog loses... (1+ / 0-)
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      To an actual Republican, and we have nothing to show for it, really what is the point? We had "control" of all of Congress due to blue dogs, yet it did nothing but make us look bad at the end of the day.

      Fantastic. The Blue Dogs pretty much only ever get elected in waves, when someone much more progressive could have been waved in just easily, but at least the progressive may have got something done while they were there and made the district just a bit more blue in the process. Sure, you have the odd terrible guy making it out of the primaries like most of the Tea Partiers, but again, you could have elected Kos over Christine O'Donnell in Delaware.

      Blue dogs work within the established mindset of the district, progressive attempt to change it for the better. I know which I'd rather have.

    •  Hmm not my Congressional district (1+ / 0-)
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      but regarding Davis I would say the answer to the first is "yes, barely" and to the second "yes, definitely on fiscal issues, but probably not on social issues by much".

      •  Then that's exactly who you should work for (2+ / 0-)
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        someone more liberal on fiscal issues, but not much on social issues.  That's the "maximum liberal electable by your district".  And we should be happy with that person if we can get them in office... not be pissed that they're not liberal enough for northern districts.

        "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided." --Barack Obama, June, 2008

        by oldskooldem on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 03:27:59 PM PDT

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        •  Your argument works only if it is assume (0+ / 0-)

          that working people in red districts who voted Dem are uniformly conservative on all issues. I would bet that most right-wing districts are conservative on social issues and more left-wing on economic issues. Most Blue Dogs appear to be too conservative on economic issues. There were way too many Blue Dogs who got elected on a economic populist/social conservative message then started cutting deals with global bankers and job exporters.

          Every politician in America is sounding like that mayor in Jaws. -global citizen

          by James Kresnik on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 06:29:40 PM PDT

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          •  I agree to some extent (0+ / 0-)

            about red district voters being more left-wing on economic issues.  They're still not as left wing as they should be given their socioeconomic status.. but they're left wing enough to get someone elected.  But the Blue Dogs tend to vote in ways that they think will get them elected in their district.  Some districts tend to be populist (for example, that formula has always worked well in Louisiana and Arkansas) and some aren't populist (e.g. in Alabama, voters tend to prefer Republican-light candidates for whatever reason).

            My point is that you have to match the district.  Standing on principle is stupid.  Find the most liberal challenger who can still get elected.

            "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided." --Barack Obama, June, 2008

            by oldskooldem on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 06:45:32 PM PDT

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            •  You're soft-peddling the depth of fustration (0+ / 0-)

              with Blue Dogs and economic policy in their local districts as Louisiana and Arkansas Democatic reps have consistently sold their districts out on economic issues.

              Let's assume that your conclusions are correct, then it means that those districts are composed of people who are fundamentally opposed to the Democratic platform and that any Democrats that they produce will consistently sabotage the party platform and the party should pursue other, more effective strategies for legislative success.

              Every politician in America is sounding like that mayor in Jaws. -global citizen

              by James Kresnik on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 07:15:02 PM PDT

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              •  Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. (0+ / 0-)

                I would rather Dems that sabotage parts of the platform but vote with us most of the time, than be in the minority with a pure as white caucus.

                "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided." --Barack Obama, June, 2008

                by oldskooldem on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 07:32:49 PM PDT

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                •  Your strategy is ultimately self-defeating. (0+ / 0-)

                  The problem is that using villain rotation and procedural monkey-wrenching they fundamentally dismantle or distort virtually the entire economic platform, removing all but the most corporate-socialist policies. To add insult the injury, they irritate their constituents so much with this back-stabbing that it is inevitable that they are replaced by a Republican.

                  This strategy is, quite frankly, ridiculous. It is a demonstrated electoral and legislative failure with next to no redeeming value for advancing anything other than corporate socialism, i.e. corportism. It needs to be junked in total and replaced with something else entirely.

                  Every politician in America is sounding like that mayor in Jaws. -global citizen

                  by James Kresnik on Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 07:46:41 PM PDT

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