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  •  then you like losing (0+ / 0-)

    and losers don't get shit passed in DC.

    •  Boo frakking hoo! Maybe the party needs to stop (3+ / 0-)
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      Spitting on progressives so maybe in the future we can find a way to work with the blue dogs.

      But for now its a hell no policy towards Blue Dogs. Because 2 become more when the "Oh just support these nutjobs and we have a majority and then support 10 more so we get a supermajority that we will piss away in 2 years" meme comes to play.

      Try to blame progressives for 2010 or bully them for 2012 and 2012 will politically go down in flames for the dems in my opinion. NO SUPPORT FOR BLUE DOGS!

      •  not blaming anyone for tuesday (2+ / 0-)

        but it's hard to be honest and think democrats will ever have a majority in the house without bluedogs.

        you must be in the camp of you'd rather have 100 liberal reps than a majority in the house.

        that is a recipe for president palin.

        •  We will definitely have a majority without them (1+ / 0-)
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          We'll need people like Stupak probably.  

          Blue Dogs have been the crassest of hypocritical sellouts for the most part, and we really don't need them.  Don't confuse them with (for instance) socially conservative economic populists, who we damn well do need -- or civil-libertarians with an economically conservative streak (who are still willing to appreciate Keynesianism), who we could certainly use if we can find any.

          Blue Dogs are for the most part (yes, there are honorable exceptions, I think) not representing their districts, not politically astute, and not smart about any policies.  They are just a drag on the brand.

          -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

          by neroden on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:35:21 AM PDT

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        •  Let the GOP nominate Palin. I, for one, (0+ / 0-)

          would LOVE to see that!  It would guarantee another Democratic landslide in 2012.  She has negatives in the 50s and women voters, by and large, cannot stand her.  Her base is waayyyy over-hyped and exaggerated and Mike Hucksterbee is prepared to fight her tooth-and-nail for the evangelical vote.

          The argument you seem to be making is that having a D majority with obstructionist bluedogs is better than having no majority at all.  I would suggest that the history of the last 21-22 months doesn't support that theory.

          Nancy Pelosi gave the bluedogs permission to attack her if it helped them get re-elected and it didn't work for half of them.  The electorate has changed its mind about bluedogs, it seems.

          •  The majority sets the agenda. (2+ / 0-)
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            The majority gets the committee chairs. Without a majority, there would have been no chance of passing HCR, Wall Street reform, unemployment extensions, or anything else.

            I don't like these middle of the road wafflers either, but this is what politics is. You never, ever, ever, get the whole loaf. Ever.

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 06:00:48 AM PDT

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            •  What you say is true, however, in (1+ / 0-)
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              many of the instances you cite, it seems the bluedogs hurt as much as they helped, agenda-wise.

              On the other hand, not having the majority in 2001-05 led to inertia and ultimately, victory in 2006 for us.  We'll see how this latest twist works out, I guess.

        •  No it isnt. (0+ / 0-)

          The presidential run is a WHOLE lot different from Congressional anyway.

          Besides if Palin did win nominations then you wont even NEED the support of progressives for the presidency at that point Obama can air NO ads and still win easily against her.

          The GOP isnt that stupid however it will be a stronger candidate so you need progressive support so don't spit on us for the next 2 years.

          And yes I would rather have 100 PROGRESSIVE (Not Liberal) Fighting like tigers for years instead of what we had.

          What we had diddnt work and never will work. Vote in progressives for your district primary and maybe they can get the extra support a blue dog wont get from us. Progressives for the good part are done with Blue Dogs.

    •  But winners sure did pass some absolute shit NT (1+ / 0-)
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      neroden

      Capitalism already ate itself. Now it's just shitting itself.

      by JesseCW on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 04:17:49 AM PDT

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