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  •  No, we'd like you centrists (12+ / 0-)

    to support us for a change and quit acting like support only goes one way.

    "Play it LOUD Robbie, Play it fucking loud" Dylan

    by NearlyNormal on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 03:14:11 AM PDT

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    •  Nicely put! That's the issue -- (2+ / 0-)
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      why must it always be liberals & progressives who are forced to give in?

      •  Because we are the ones (2+ / 0-)
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        bucking the status quo. We are the ones working for change against entrenched interests with really deep pockets.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 06:03:23 AM PDT

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        •  Not sure why that explains liberals and (2+ / 0-)
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          progressives must always be the ones forced to compromise.

          Saw an interesting slogan from the on-going protests in France in an article in The Nation: "The inevitable is always avoidable"

          •  Swimming against the current (1+ / 0-)
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            is always tougher than going with the flow.

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 07:03:13 AM PDT

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          •  you think the more conservative (0+ / 0-)

            members of our caucus didn't compromise? Sheesh. Most of them didn't even want to vote for any health care reform in the first place.

            •  No, I don't think they compromised as (1+ / 0-)
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              much as the liberals and progressives did.  Healthcare is still captive to private interests b/c of conservatives "concerns" about "government-run" healthcare, which liberals and progressives wanted w/the PO.

              •  Remember that scene in Annie Hall? (0+ / 0-)

                The Diane Keaton character says to her shrink: we have sex constantly! Four times a week!

                The Woody Allen character says to his shrink: we never have sex! Only four times a week!

                It's all a matter of perspective. Of course you think progressives gave up more because you care deeply about what we gave up. I suspect more conservative Dems feel the same way about what they gave up and I'm sure many of the ones that got voted out Tuesday now feel they gave up too much. I, for one, am grateful for the sacrifice they made.

                •  Never saw that movie -- not a big (0+ / 0-)

                  Woody Allen fan, but I get your point.  

                  My point is, the US is trapped in a nineteenth century time warp when it comes to availability and affordability of healthcare for its citizens and conservatives don't seem to have a problem with that.  Progressives do.

                  Yet, everytime liberals and progressives try to remedy this very real problem in our society, we are told, no, can't be done, not now, not this time, maybe in the future, too expensive, why should Americans take care of one another, subsidies for corporations are OK but there's no money in the budget for healthcare, blah, blah, blah.

                  And the same arguments against stimulus money and financial regulations were invoked by conservadems when they dug in their heels in opposition -- and liberals and progressives were forced to compromise and settle for much weaker measures.

                  We disagree on these matters now, but history always vindicates progressive ideas.  It's just the way things go.

            •  Really, they wanted to leave it like it was? (0+ / 0-)

              All busted up and heading for disaster?  

              "Play it LOUD Robbie, Play it fucking loud" Dylan

              by NearlyNormal on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 08:28:30 PM PDT

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