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  •  Did you see Countdown last night? (3+ / 0-)

    The President is going to do the whole "talk and try to work together" spiel, then when they snub him, he's going to FORCE them to make the choice between governing or not.  He's going to make them show the world who their masters are.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 09:00:37 AM PDT

    •  That's what the "town hall-style meetings" (4+ / 0-)

      with the House and Senate GOP membership were supposed to achieve. They were initially effective, with the GOP complaining of being ambushed and vowing never to repeat the experience. The country was supposed to take from those showdowns the lesson that the GOP had a paucity of ideas. Guess what? Corporate campaign funds trumps common sense it seems. I am simply asking if there is a Plan B, and moreover is Plan B going to be one that motivates people to reelect Dems in 2012, because otherwise everything else is moot.

      •  There is a meeting Nov 18th, Obama & all the (0+ / 0-)

        top critters, D & R. This should be televised, like his meeting with the Republicans. If they don't want to come, he needs to use national airtime to ask WTF, no appointments, 200 plus laws waiting. Easy to say no, easy to say you want me as one term, easy to say you won't fund healthcare. What will you do.


    •  He already did that whole "try to work together" (7+ / 0-)

      bit in the past two years, and admonished them for not focusing on governing. Look where that got him.

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      by slinkerwink on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 09:06:46 AM PDT

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      •  Bingo (6+ / 0-)

        To the left.  

        The WH and the Senate need to go to the left.  It's good policy and good politics.

        •  I'd be happy if they stayed put at this point. (1+ / 0-)
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          Meaning - they have to stand their ground at the very least.

          They have to define themselves not by what they were able to give to Republicans, but what they were able to give to the public.

          At worst, under this scenario, they would be able to at least show the public what they are not willing to let the Republicans do to destroy the middle class and working people's lives more than they already have.  At best, they might get something good done.

          •  Staying put (4+ / 0-)

            Staying put is defensive.  And a loser.  The Republican House will not stay put. They will attack.   And attempt to hold up the budget.

            America will witness Washington Gridlock and want to blame someone as responsible.

            If we 'stay put' we will held responsible.  No, we must attack the Republicans.  The Senate must pass a whole bunch of new legislation and dare the Repubs to hold it up.  When and if they do, (which they will) we can attack them as the obstructionist they are as the Do-Nothing Know-Nothing House.

            The Republicans will only work with us if they fear losing that framing more than they fear losing $$ and support from the Right.

            Yes, it is that simple.

            Staying put is a loser.  We have no choice but to move to the left.

            •  I actually don't disagree with you, but (1+ / 0-)
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              I don't - at this point - have confidence in this administration's ability to push anyone around but liberals - and I don't have much faith in the idea that they would even entertain going left.  I think Obama is an ideological centrist and that he has been terribly inflexible thus far at critical moments when going left really was the "right answer" to a problem - the stimulus being a big thing that comes to mind - and the total abandonment of a jobs program being another.

              So, I'm basically begging him not to go right - stay put at least.  The fact that he picked the deficit as opposed to jobs as a place to "work with" Republicans says to me that we are not only going to go right, but also he's going to allow a bunch of people to get hurt in the process.  Why the f*ck can't they focus on job creation?  It is beyond me.  The Republicans ran on jobs, too.  It is the territory that Obama should claim and focus on forcing the GOP to go left rather than going to the issue on which he will certainly go right - and an issue that people actually don't f*cking care about - they care about jobs and their own financial security much more than they care about national debt.  Head exploding.  Sorry.

      •  "Bad, bad republicans." (0+ / 0-)

        Here's your reward....

        Enough already. Stand up and fight. If you lose, you lose, but at least you tried. That's all I ask.

        by gooderservice on Thu Nov 04, 2010 at 09:37:52 AM PDT

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    •  i hope so (0+ / 0-)

      but if their messaging about that is as bad as it has been about their legislative accomplishments, then it will get lost in the media noise.

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