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  •  This is a huge demographic trend.... (20+ / 0-)

    ...in the Democrats' favor.

    It's interesting to recall that George W. Bush's (essentially business-friendly) more open immigration policies played much better with Latinos than the all-immigrant-hatin', all-the-time views that now totally dominate the GOP.

    The problem is that while many Republican oriented business elites are happy to embrace Dubya's slightly-less-vile Gastarbeiter vision, the Teabaggin' masses of GOP voters won't stand for it.  

    There's simply no way for Republicans to pivot in such a way that they regain a foothold with the Latino vote but don't lose a chunk of their current base.

    "I trust that you will continue to let me and other Democrats know when you believe we are screwing up." - Barack Obama

    by GreenSooner on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 09:03:34 AM PST

    •  I don't know... (6+ / 0-)

      ...they were against big governemnt and big debt before they were in charge.  Ronald Reagan ran against Carter calling the then $900 billion federal debt "obscene", then went on to quadruple it.  The Republican't Congress of 1994 - 2006 doubled down on that, expanding the debt and the size of government at a record pace, while wiping their elephant-sized asses with the Constitution, only to pivot and become the foe of Big Intrusive Government and Runaway Spending and Debt.  Watch for them to not pass one single balanced budget or roll back the USA Patriot act between now and 2012.  In a nutshell, it really doesn't matter who they are or what they stand for.  They'll just lie and the "press" will fail to hold them to account...

      •  They're only against spending when they're not in (3+ / 0-)

        power.

        And stupid forgetful Americans buy into their snake oil pitch every damn time.

        •  Every damn time? (2+ / 0-)
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          1992?  1996?  2006?  2008?

          There is no permanent majority for either Republicans or Democrats, despite foolish declarations otherwise following each election.

          The people toss the bums out when they seem not to be producing results. And the system only gives them two choices.

          "I trust that you will continue to let me and other Democrats know when you believe we are screwing up." - Barack Obama

          by GreenSooner on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 09:38:16 AM PST

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          •  Every damn time, a Republican gets elected (1+ / 0-)
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            There should be 0 Republicans in Congress. But every election, people buy into their bullshit arguments, hatebaiting and fearmongering and vote against their own economic self interest. 1964 was the last year when most Americans voted for rational self interest.

            Republicans won elections in those years, just not enough to win a chamber of Congress. So yes, every damn time.

            •  And Republicans could say the same damn thing. (1+ / 0-)
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              This is a closely divided country. Neither party owns it.

              And despite the utter lunacy of today's GOP, we'd be even worse off if we were a one-party state (indeed, the two parties are already far too similar on a host of issues).

              "I trust that you will continue to let me and other Democrats know when you believe we are screwing up." - Barack Obama

              by GreenSooner on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 10:05:39 AM PST

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              •  That's just it. It's NOT a closely divided (1+ / 0-)
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                country. The GOP works to divide us for their own political gain.

                If you poll people on issues, their overwhelmingly (the public option was favored by 85%) in the Democrat's favor. But Republicans work overtime to sow confusion, fear and hate. They con people into voting for a single issue (like guns or "no Muslims") that have virtually no impact on their daily lives.

                That's how they create a contest close enough to win. And it works every damn time. The same year we elected Obama president, we also elected the likes of Saxby Chambliss, James Inhofe and Larry Craig.

                •  But elections aren't just about issues. (1+ / 0-)
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                  You're right that the country is not closely divided on the issues.  But on the parties it is closely divided, both in terms of registration and in terms of the popularity of the two parties: large majorities of the public dislike them both.

                  And it should be said that while the public overwhelmingly favored the public option, not only did the Democrats fail to get it done, but apparently the White House also traded it away behind close doors before negotiations even began in Congress.

                  Indeed, the stories of the failures of the public option and of the attempt to extend middle class tax cuts while eliminating those for the ultra rich (also favored by a large majority; also not pressed by either major party) are two great examples of why the largest growing proportion of the electorate are registered independents.

                  "I trust that you will continue to let me and other Democrats know when you believe we are screwing up." - Barack Obama

                  by GreenSooner on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 11:32:54 AM PST

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      •  I guess my cynicism is of a different sort. (1+ / 0-)
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        I look at the last two decades of political life and see the two parties trading electoral victories and defeats. This nation is very closely divided. The media is certainly biased. But what wins and loses elections is ultimately whether or not the party in power seems to be delivering the goods.  Democrats lost this year not because of media bias, but because of 9.6% unemployment. Assuming no new wars or terrorist attacks, 2012 will turn on the same sorts of issues.  If the economy is good, Obama should win reelection despite anything the media might do.

        "I trust that you will continue to let me and other Democrats know when you believe we are screwing up." - Barack Obama

        by GreenSooner on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 09:36:51 AM PST

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    •  This is why that, despite the loss we took... (1+ / 0-)
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      The Tea Bagging Republican days are numbered. Every election cycle a million more Latinos become eligible to vote. And they are breaking Dem by and large.

      The Rethugs have burned the last and biggest bridge they have.
      They can't help but marginalize themselves. It is in their nature, and unfortunately for them, in the changing demographics of America.

      "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

      by rclendan on Mon Nov 08, 2010 at 10:10:17 AM PST

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    •  Dems? Miss an Opportunity to Blow an Opportunity? (0+ / 0-)

      Won't take that long for the Repubs to figure out a way to get the latinos to vote against their best interests.  And the dazed and confused Dems will shake their heads and wonder why oh why?

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