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  •  We're getting there fast. (12+ / 0-)

    How soon before Oklahoma's new 'No Sharia' law starts causing problems for the Indian tribes living in Oklahoma?  No respect for international law?  No respect for treaties?  If the only thing the bigots had in mind was the non-existent 'Muslim menace', I'll eat my words, but I'd bet there were anti-NA bigots involved with that law too.

    Wow, Independents put down the centrist Blue Dogs, and somehow liberals are to blame?

    by Ezekial 23 20 on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 11:44:56 AM PDT

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    •  You just hit the proverbial nail, HARD. (17+ / 0-)

      I don't know if you knew this, but the driving force behind that fucking travesty of a ballot measure was Rex Duncan, former teabagger (before they had that name) OK state legislator running against an NDN for DA.  The night of 11/01, that asshole started running push-poll robocalls against his opponent asking whether "knowing about his opponent's Native ancestry would make them less likely to vote for him."  Their mythical Shar'ia law was only the pretext; destroying NDN sovereignty was a huge part of this (combined with an effort to get the U.S. to refuse to recognize international law across the board, and undoubtedly regarded as a necessary first step toward the destruction of the UN).

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      by Aji on Sat Nov 06, 2010 at 11:51:16 AM PDT

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    •  How can a "No Sharia" law impact Indians? (0+ / 0-)

      They're not Muslims and don't practice sharia.

      •  Sovereignty. IOW, tribal laws. (1+ / 0-)
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        And with Duncan, that as the point, probably much more than any mythical Shar'ia law application in Oklahoma.

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        by Aji on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 05:38:23 AM PST

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        •  Try reading the initiative (0+ / 0-)

          This measure amends the State Constitution. It changes a section that deals with the courts of this state. It would amend Article 7, Section 1. It makes courts rely on federal and state law when deciding cases. It forbids courts from considering or using international law. It forbids courts from considering or using Sharia Law.

          International law is also known as the law of nations. It deals with the conduct of international organizations and independent nations, such as countries, states and tribes. It deals with their relationship with each other. It also deals with some of their relationships with persons.

          The law of nations is formed by the general assent of civilized nations. Sources of international law also include international agreements, as well as treaties.

          Sharia Law is Islamic law. It is based on two principal sources, the Koran and the teaching of Mohammed.

          I don't see how this would affect tribal law... and I'm not sure if tribal law is ever considered by state courts, which, after all, are supposed to enforce state laws.

          •  And are you an expert on tribal law . . . (1+ / 0-)
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            and sovereignty?  I have indeed read it, and I am both NDN and a lawyer, and I guarantee you that this is going to lead to sovereignty-suppression efforts, as was its purpose.

            I know whereof I speak on this; you don't.  But that doesn't matter, because your comments have made it clear that you're here to push an agenda, and it's not one that's liberal - and certainly not one that's pro-NDN.

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            by Aji on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 06:37:23 AM PST

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            •  Can you explain how a law that prohibits (0+ / 0-)

              the courts from relying on international law or Sharia has any bearing at all on tribal law?

              Or is this going to rely purely on your claim that you know and that you are an expert?

              If the latter, can you provide some proof you really are an expert?

              •  Why would I bother explaining anything . . . (0+ / 0-)

                to you, since you've already made up your mind about all of it?  Especially since you're here to push an agenda that has nothing to do with DK, justice, or us?  You've made that abundantly clear all over the site over the last 24 hours.

                And I'm not giving free legal advice to somebody here to lie about who I am, nor am I going to educate you on sovereignty, tribal law, conflicts of law, or jurisdictional issues.  But here's a tip for you:  You really want to know - which we both know you don't - look up Kalyn Free's work on it.

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                by Aji on Sun Nov 07, 2010 at 07:11:42 PM PST

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