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  •  Is the above an example... (1+ / 0-)
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    SoCalSal

    ...of your "winning hearts and minds" technique?

    •  Never claimed to be polite. Winning is the (1+ / 0-)
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      priority not civility. BTW observation about human nature people tend to jump on the  bandwagon if you are a winner.

      •  What about "hearts and minds"?. (0+ / 0-)

        Gave that up already, eh?

        •  not at all just waiting you out till (0+ / 0-)

          you are ready to be open minded

          •  Are you waiting America out too? (0+ / 0-)

            Cause I don't see any outreach going on.

            •  Okay rather than the snark lets actually discuss (1+ / 0-)
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              it. What part of Cantor's, McConnell's, the Tea Party or the whole Right Wing media do you think is up for compromise? Why do you refuse to believe when they explicitly state there will be no compromise. Where is their outreach? Where do you think you are going to get them to give in even a tiny bit.  When polled Americans do not back their extreme right wing agenda. Yet they do win elections. So my misguided belief is if the Democrats supported policies supported by the majority of ALL Americans rather than the swing voters we might just might be able to build a viable majority. Rather than tacking to the right in search of those unreliable swing voters. That is what I mean by winning hearts and minds get people to engage by creating a honest and meaningful debate between what we stand for versus what they stand for.  Not by trying to make Democrats the lesser of two evils.

              See I don't shout

              •  All well and good. (0+ / 0-)

                If we can make the sale.  We have candidates in most primaries who tack to the left.  They don't win in large swaths of the USA.  So the challenge is to get people to buy what they are selling in both the primaries and the general.  

                So the question remains - how do we get there?

                I contend that we need to sell our overarching world view to a plurality of voters in these areas.  That is how the GOP sells their snake oil.  They sell people on conservatism itself.  They sell it almost as a personal identity....like listening to NPR or following a sports team.  

                Meanwhile we think we can rest on the fact that we have facts and figures.  People SHOULD agree with us, we tell ourselves.  But we stop there.  So we lose.

                Running better candidates in Red America is like opening a tofu store in Bumfuck.  Unless you sell the people of Bumfuck on tofu, the easy access won't matter.

                •  Good Question (0+ / 0-)

                  "All well and good If we can make the sale"
                  First my belief is that this part is not optional we do have to make the sale

                  This is an excellent question.
                  So the question remains - how do we get there?

                  After many years living in the Bible Belt the dirty little secret is that they love government. Highest rates of entitlement programs are in the South, highest rates of uninsured and under insured  South and rural areas. Maybe we run candidates who are "moderates" who run on jobs programs for these areas especially government jobs. (This will begin to erase the government is you enemy mentality)  while leaving wedge issues to states. Yeah I know that sucks but it works for the Republicans. I would work on getting free health care to areas with high rates of uninsured. Even make them temporary because my guess is no one will dare let them expire. Again got to get the people invested in a proactive government rather than relying on corporate America. Will it be easy no but a lot of these folks have very little it will not cost that much to buy their loyalty and yes that is what it will take initially.

      •  emphasis on civility? (0+ / 0-)

        Just saying, why exactly is civility so important?

        If some leaders acted uncivil and rude but got through single payer etc. why would that be so bad?

        I think there is an underlying unspoken thing going on that places so much emphasis on civility.

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