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  •  Michigan. (1+ / 0-)
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    Just over the border from me.  They are all over there and have been since the late 80's.

    •  Racists have been in Michigan since well before.. (4+ / 0-)
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      ...the late 1980s; the KKK was very active here at one point (their Grand Dragon even lived in Livingston County, one of the epicenters of social conservatism in the Southeastern side of the state), and there are still older Catholics and children from immigrant families who remember crosses being burned in their lawns.  The Detroit metropolitan area is very racially segregated, and "Detroit" is often political code for black during campaign season.  

      We also have a lot of people whose parents and grandparents were southerners, by virtue of attracting economic migrants during the height of the automobile industry, including white southerners.  Not that the indigenous midwesterners are more averse to racism, mind you.

      "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

      by Alec82 on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 07:56:17 PM PST

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      •  My husband works in the (4+ / 0-)
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        area between Ann Arbor and the state line.  Monroe County is known as "little Claiborne" because so many of it's residents hail from that county in Tennessee.  However, while backwards in many ways, they keep voting democratic.  Left overs from the union days plus the fact that they are now suburban Toledo, I suppose.

        Other areas?  I don't know.  But the militias are going strong.  Living across the border in Toledo, I can tell you that things go on there in those small towns that our urban area cannot hold a light to.  

      •  Also in Western Michigan (5+ / 0-)

        Grand Rapids is home base for Amway which at the core is a very RW bunch that loves to associate with the evangelical money preachers of America.  They have been at it for over 50 years with a goal to change America back to the good old days.    

        •  Amway was (6+ / 0-)

          the seed money for Blackwater as well, IIRC.  Erik Prince is Dick DeVos' brother-in-law.

          Americans do not burn books.

          by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:11:21 PM PST

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          •  I knew of the family connection (5+ / 0-)

            but I am not sure how much they fund Blackwater.  The DeVos family foundations do fund RW think tanks and causes to the tunes of millions over the years.  Rich DeVos(co-founder of Amway) was at one time President of the Council for National Policy(very powerful and very extreme RW oganization) but I am not sure if he or any of his sons are members now.
            Some people find it hard to believe that Amway is really a political and religious organization fronting as a business opportunity,  but they have been fleecing naive people for years and funding RW propaganda and causes.

            •  Horrible flashbacks. (3+ / 0-)
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              Back nearly 20 years ago, my in laws got sucked in by Amway.  Went to the conventions and the whole nine yards.  Very odd, those conventions...lots of chanting slogans and the like.  Anyway, we went to visit them one day and they ambushed us by having their Amway friends there for a presentation geared towards getting us sucked in.  Now, I was nine months pregnant at the time, with our sixth child.  Not only was I pregnant, I was, unknowingly, in the first stages of a progressive chronic illness.  I totally lost it on my in laws...why they thought I had time to go door to door evangelizing for Amway, I don't know...I could barely put one foot in front of the other and was expecting a baby at any time.  

              They didn't talk to us for weeks.  The power of Amway is pretty damn strong.

              •  sorry to hear (5+ / 0-)

                Sadly,  your situation is not uncommon.   Amway people are told to disassociate from skeptics and critics,  even if they are family.      My experience with them comes from being on a production crew years ago.  One of the leading motivational organizations in Amway used to have rallies in Arenas where the production level was way beyond a small hotel meeting room and they had to hire outside people to stage the event.    I had heard of Amway but never knew what it was or even that there were people stupid enough to listen to that shit.    Nothing but a bunch of RW scam artists.

                •  Amway: dangerous cult; and the DeVos.... (0+ / 0-)

                  .... dangerous cult-leaders.

                  Someone needs to put the DeVos under a microscope, 360-degree surveillance and total coverage 24/7, to find ANYTHING that can be used against them in any possible way, and then USE IT.  

                  Civil lawsuits, criminal complaints, political smears, exposes in the press, anything and everything, the whole nine yards.

                  They aren't perfect: they will make mistakes, and our job is to catch them and make sure they do not wriggle away.  

              •  Yes, exactly. (3+ / 0-)
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                The thing that is hard for me to explain as a Michigander to out-of-staters is just how accepted that state of affairs is on the West Side of the state.  

                Americans do not burn books.

                by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:36:25 PM PST

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      •  Oh yeah, (1+ / 0-)
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        never underestimate the Michigan GOP to in their ability to play the race hate game.  And yes, I'm looking at you L. Brooks.

        Americans do not burn books.

        by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Nov 10, 2010 at 08:17:03 PM PST

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