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  •  You know why it doesn't stop them? (2+ / 0-)
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    scorinaldi, raincrow

    Because they have the media and big money on their side.

    You guys can't get around this point.

    "I'm measuring everything the Democrats and President Obama do, not against what I WANT, but against the status quo." --RASalvatore 9/16/10

    by smoothnmellow on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:08:04 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for the common sense (0+ / 0-)
      •  I just don't get why people (0+ / 0-)

        can't see the obvious.  We are outspent by the corps.  We are outmessaged by the corp media.

        How many progressive corps are there?

        How many of them own media?

        When Clinton, yes Bill Clinton changed FCC rules, that was really the beginning of the end for us.  The media with competitively controlled markets was the only equalizer we had going.

        Conservative corporations control corporation media.  They support their message with infotainment designed to confuse and distract the masses.

        This whole Obama is caving meme is yet another distraction from Obama's Asian trip designed to create more JOBS for the American people.

        You know, those people who just kicked a whole bunch of Democrats out because they didn't do enough to create more JOBS?

        Progressives cannot get on point.  This is why we fail all of the time.

        "I'm measuring everything the Democrats and President Obama do, not against what I WANT, but against the status quo." --RASalvatore 9/16/10

        by smoothnmellow on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:33:56 PM PST

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    •  Oh, I can get around it. (1+ / 0-)
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      NearlyNormal

      GOPers play long ball. They'll say the most ridiculous shit because they're moving the discourse. They're ruthless, they're crazy, they've got no interest in governing, and---here's where you need to take notes---Democrats don't call them on any of it.

      If Democrats only did one thing well---like defending an economy built on a prospering middle class---90% of the shit GOPers throw wouldn't stick. And that would go miles in fixing what's ailing Obama and Democrats right now.

      The idea that the media and big money are allied against us isn't why we're not winning. Like everything else, we don't have any alternative narrative to the media or big money. We don't explain how the country gets better with simple progressive ideas, and we don't explain how corporate money works directly against the general welfare of the people. We had two immense majorities in the House and Senate and the White House, and we couldn't even get Dems to put forward an argument against Citizens United? If Dems had done nothing but talk about THAT for two months before the election--regardless of passage of any legislation--we would have done much better in this election.

      We're fucked because we don't have a party that believes in its message. That's terminal unless we do something about it.

      •  And do you know why the GOP can get away (0+ / 0-)

        with it?

        See answer above.

        "I'm measuring everything the Democrats and President Obama do, not against what I WANT, but against the status quo." --RASalvatore 9/16/10

        by smoothnmellow on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:34:49 PM PST

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        •  You don't go to elections with the media you want (0+ / 0-)

          You go with the media you've got. That our media is slanted isn't a news flash. That Democrats can't see beyond these problems is fatal.

          Republicans didn't have the media noise machine 30 years ago. These things are only changed with conscious, overt, and well-planned and executed political moves. We've got none of that right now. And your fatalism about it is why. DC Dems talk the very same way.

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