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  •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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    Miep

    I'm just saying that whether or not it works is irrelevant.

    We could cut violent crime in this country dramatically if we abandoned due process, the presumption of innocence, etc... The ends don't justify the means even if there is an identifiable payoff.

    Conservatives have a special gift for cloaking self-interest in self-righteousness.

    by Sarge in Seattle on Sun Nov 14, 2010 at 01:47:19 PM PST

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    •  I'm not really arguing with you (0+ / 0-)

      so much as pointing out that letting people get away with believing it works does make the argument more difficult, in a pragmatic, if not moral, way. Why not use all the points available? Whether it works or not is irrelevant to you, but not irrelevant to others, and they may not all be convincible on this point. But if you can get to them through it not working, this still can decrease support for the practice.

      "Unlike every other nation in the world, the United States defines itself as a hypothesis and continues itself as an argument." - Lewis Lapham

      by Miep on Sun Nov 14, 2010 at 02:19:27 PM PST

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